Thursday, September 18, 2025

Ordinary People

 

Consider, by way of illustration, Eric Hobsbawm, the famous, much feted, and unrepentantly Marxist historian. No one would feel personally threatened by him at a social gathering, where he would be amusing, polite, charming, and accomplished; if you had him to dinner, you wouldn’t have to count the spoons afterward, even though he theoretically opposes the idea of private wealth. In short, there would be no reason to suspect that he was about to commit a common crime against you. In this sense, he is what one might call a moderate Marxist.

But Hobsbawm has stated quite openly that, had the Soviet Union managed to create a functioning and prosperous socialist society, 20 million deaths would have been a worthwhile price to pay; and since he didn’t recognize, even partially, that the Soviet Union was not in fact on the path to such a society until many years after it had murdered 20 million of its people (if not more), it is fair to assume that, if things had turned out another way in his own country, Hobsbawm would have applauded, justified, and perhaps even instigated the murders of the very people to whom he was now, under the current dispensation, being amusing, charming, and polite. In other words, what saved Hobsbawm from committing utter evil was not his own scruples or ratiocination, and certainly not the doctrine he espoused, but the force of historical circumstance. His current moderation would have counted for nothing if world events had been different.

Theodore Dalrymple.

 

One of the most depressing books I have ever read is Ordinary Men, Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland. Based upon the detailed records of one the Nazi extermination squads in Poland, the book details much about the type of men who made up the unit.  It's tempting to thing about such men as being vicious psychopathic thugs with a long history of anti social personality traits, but the chilling and sobering truth is that many of the men who executed women and children in cold blood were just ordinary people in peacetime.   People who would sit next to you on the bus, smile at your children, do your plumbing and excuse themselves if they bumped into you, could, if put in the right circumstances, put the a bullet through your spouse's brain. What made the fact the more horrifying is the fact that many of these men did these things voluntarily, even when given a choice to opt out. When the war ended, many of them to returned to live out the rest of their lives as upstanding local citizens.

The book came to mind as I trawled through my X feed. Post after post celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk, and while the usual leftist suspects were represented, what shocked me the most is how many ordinary looking people celebrated it. I can understand schadenfreude but healthy societies have always seen it as a guilty pleasure and something one should be ashamed to have. The celebration of it, really marked someone as being of vulgar manners and declassé. However in post after post, Pilots, nurses, teachers, soldiers, mental health workers, etc. People not dressed in the usual garb of antifa or the degenerate,  but people who looked like polite bourgeoisie celebrated his demise.  

Much of the Right's talk about the decline of our society is focused on the "elites" but the reality is that these men could not achieve their strategic objectives with out co-operation a large numbers of the managerial class who live polite, affluent and well disciplined lives. What has been most disquieting to realise is that the people who could be our future torturers and executioners, given the right circumstances, are people who we are politely rubbing shoulders with us now. The whole leftist juggernaut needs to be seen as a pyramid of elites supported by a base of fellow travelers.

I was never a big fan of Charlie Kirk and did not pay much attention to his posts. I always felt that his business model was naive. The idea that you could rationalise and debate your point and make your opponent change his mind through the force of facts and good argument was, in my opinion contrary to lived human experience. What if your opponent doesn't respect facts or argument, what if they simply wanted to punch you out and dominate you. What if fantasy was preferential to reality. His socaratic style of argument was ultimately silenced by a bullet through his neck. And while the Left, I believe made a massive miscalculation, the reality is that Charlie Kirk is dead. His death celebrated by many of the "polite" people we live with and who, if given the chance, would gladly fill the ranks of Reserve Police Battalion 101 or its modern equivalent.

These are dangerous times indeed.




10 comments:

Kristor said...

Kirk suffered the fate of a scapegoat, just like Socrates and Jesus did.

The Social Pathologist said...

I'm not a fan of Girard's scapegoat model as he gets human anthropology wrong. Kirk's death was not designed to bring "peace". On a granular level, This was a "lone wolf"/small group act designed to eliminate a cultural opponent. However the actors that bought about this act are members of a culture that increasingly accept the necessity of liquidating their opponents. What is implied in the of cheering Kirk's death is the tacit approval of assassination. You don't cheer the stuff you oppose.

A lot of the people who live with us are really nasty.

Hoyos said...

I think a lot of people genuinely did “wake up” though; they scared the normies. A man got brutally killed (sadistically in front of his family), and the response of baying over his blood and saying he had it coming came not just from a few lowly people but up and down the social and political ladder. The realization that this is not something that argument will solve. Some few possibly considering for the first time that the primary problem is spiritual not rational.

Irving Babbitt had it right, free will is still a thing, history isn’t actually locked into inevitable cycles. Hopefully resistance will stiffen and God will have mercy on us. I am impressed that a few unwise remarks from Bondi aside, the right really isn’t calling for violence or restrictions on liberty, just the enforcement of laws and regulations already on the books, as well as social pressure.

All of this being said, this had a way bigger impact on me than I anticipated. I knew who the left was, I flattered myself that I did and Ordinary Men is in my bookshelf. I just was blown away by it happening though. I saw the video, I wish in some ways I hadn’t, but maybe it’s important that I did. The response to it, the crowing and laughing even of people who had actually met him in person solidified “oh wow they really really do want us dead.”

The Social Pathologist said...

@Hoyos

The response to it, the crowing and laughing even of people who had actually met him in person solidified “oh wow they really really do want us dead.”

As I said in my post, what has really shocked me is the "ordinariness" of those openly celebrating the death of Kirk. People whom I never would have expected. It's been a real eye opener.

I often wondered what where the social mechanics of the drift towards Nazism in Germany. I have now lived the history.

Anonymous said...

France in 1789, Russia in 1917, Spain in 1936: The Left never changes. It's the same coalition of toilet bowl rats (Marat, Hebert etc) and fanatics who never blink (Robespierre, Saint-Just). They hate God, nation and family, and they will not stop their war against them all.

Among my bugbears about Anglo-culture are that it cannot take Leftism seriously and that it makes dialogue the prince of actions. "Yes, the lefties same some silly things, but if we only meet them halfway and talk some sense to them, they will be reasonable and go to work in a bank". No. They won't. They will either kill you or applaud as someone else does it. This was plain enough before last week.

The Vendean peasants and the soldiers of the Russian White armies had a much truer grip on reality.

Hoyos said...

In fairness our lefties are not usually that bad. Methodism and other forms of evangelical Christianity, as well as some Catholicism, really, really took the edge off. I mean Fabianism wouldn’t have been invented outside of England, your basic natural psychological Englishman (whether he calls himself English or Canadian, or Australian, or American, etc.) really doesn’t like radical change. However the US is a century deep into apostasy and continental European immigration (more inclined to extremes, I love my Christian brothers but we don’t all think the same), so the wheels are coming off.

Anonymous said...

There is truth in what you say, Hoyos. Anglo-culture does neuter Leftism to some degree, but it cannot not change its essential character or what its adherents want to do. Malcolm Muggeridge was related by marriage to Beatrice Webb, one of the most prominent members of the early Fabians. At one point in the early 30s, Webb made the following remark to him:

"'Yes, it’s true, people disappear in Russia.’ She said it with such great satisfaction that I couldn’t help thinking that there were a lot of people in England whose disappearance she would have liked to organize.”

The essential acidity of Leftism has now corroded whatever restraint or evasiveness they ever had. We are getting to see them for what they truly are which may be a grim but necessary blessing.

Hoyos said...

No argument here. Leftism Revisited by Erik Von Kurhnelt Leddihn should be read by everyone. “Sadism is the outstanding characteristic of the entire left.”-EVKL

The Social Pathologist said...

I don't think that the Anglos have a monopoly for "Left blindness". This pathology seems to be entrenched in all of the world. There are even elements in formerly communist countries who still yearn for it to return. Once you accept the metaphysical presumptions of left wing thinking, it's only a small step towards the approval of violence as a form of social engineering.

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