Saturday, April 30, 2022

Defending Christianianity?

I'm getting a bit of heat from the idiot Right in criticism of their view of Russia the new defender of Christianity. So I wonder how the guys will spin this.

This is the new "decoration" of the ISS courtesy of the Russians.

Russia is rehabilitating the Soviet Union and our idiot "Christian" Right are cheering them on. Let that sink in for the moment. The Christian "dissident" Right is supporting the party of Marx and the Gulag. Let's not forget which country spent millions of dollars trying to undermine the West. A lot of the Globohomo that we have now was a direct result of the subversion policy's of the USSR from a long time ago.

This is why the Right loses all the time: They're too stupid to see that they're supporting the forces that will ultimately undermine them.

92 comments:

Anonymous said...

After the last three years, we will never support the fascist, evil and totalitarian commonwealth or EU
You don't seem to understand understand we see both sides as bad but we won't condemn russia or China for defending their interests against a clearly evil opponent, including the evil out of Victoria. Bet you supported the gun confiscation and recent police beatings too.

Anonymous said...

I would point out that this is specifically the Victory Day flag, one of the flags flown above the Reichstag, which references the regiment which flew this flag by name. It's commonly flown in military parades in Moscow, right behind the Russian tricolor. I view its status no differently then American photos of the flag on Iwo Jima. Nor do I think there is anything shameful, or for that matter anti-Christian, in calling back to that conflict.

We can sit and debate as outsiders, to what extent Russia should eulogize her Soviet history. However, I find it rather specious to claim that such eulogies, at this point, harm Christianity in Russia. Even the so called "Communist Party" in Russia today is openly religious, and there are no serious anti-theistic or satanic movements in Russia, unlike the modern West. There is no other state in the modern world, where the Christian religion and clergy have power inside the state itself. Pozzed examples like the Church of England or Sweden do not count, as these Churches openly proclaim heresy against Christianity, but never heresy against the Left. Whether the Churches are as full today in Russia as they should be, the Church is at least respected, where it frankly is not in any Western country. To particularly critique Russia for not being sufficiently Christian, I find to be a gross example of ignoring the plank in our own eyes.

xxxx said...

I don't think many people sees Putin or Xi as a savior. At least, I don't. These are ruthless people like the people who rule the Non-American Empire.

We simply refuse to be supporters of the umpteenth racket of the Non-American Empire, where the enemies of the Non-American elites are painted as the devil and American and European people are asked to suffer and sacrifice to advance the economic, geopolitic and politic interests of the elites that they despise American and European people and want them dead.

In 1898, an American ship was sunk by the USA and blamed to the Spanish. Then, the usual media campaign followed. We are the ones who fight for good! Since then, tens and tens of rackets following the same pattern.

Yes, they put a USSR flag. Not good. It's difficult for me to care while lots and lots of children are being mutilated in America.

The fact that you use insults like "idiot" is sign that this has touched a nerve. Please let's have a rational debate.

Sean said...

You've set the terms for acceptable discourse here, so insults like this are on the table.

The Fake Right Fools want us to choose globohomo at any cost. No level of propaganda or emotional manipulation is to low for them to stoop to, as indicated by this post. It's not enough for the Ben Shapiro's, the David French's, the whole gamut of conservative fake resistance to accept the evil themselves. They have to convince Christians to accept globohomo as legitimate by getting us to support war with Russia, who is resisting it.

The answer is no. We will not support Globohomo. You can ally with them, be a fool if you want to be one, but most of us are not boomers, and we don't intend to fall for these lies the boomers fell for and are berating us for not going along with like they did.

Fake right fools always support the evil in their governments. No thanks Jeroboam, I won't follow the rainbow flag into battle.

Anonymous said...

Ditto the comment re the Victory Banner.

I find it hard to believe that the Social Pathologist is so ignorant that he doesn’t know its almost mystical (and Muh Commies transcending) meaning for the Russians who fought a war against a machine bent upon annihilating them as a race, let alone nation.

I mean has he never watched a Putin-era Victory Day Parade? Every one begins with a small WWII Red Army Uniformed honour guard parading the Victory Banner *before* the the various multifarious Crosses of St George and other Christian-themed victory banners and *Icons* appear in the parade.

Putin has been asked in press conferences about Red Army imagery and Lenin’s Mausoleum and has repeatedly stated that these items despite their complex and painful associations should be dealt with by later generations and not while there are living WWII veterans and relatives of same alive. To trash the banners and symbols they fought and died under would be to dishonor them.

It’s Not Rocket Science. But congratulations on picking a pernickety quirky hill to die on… You’ll find Greg Johnson of Counter Currents in the same fox hole. So you know you’re making a principled stand.

Anonymous said...

It's OK to dishonor the memories and heroes of the past only in the West, evidenced by the summer of destruction in 2020. Funny that the Australian stormtroopers, aka police, loved and allowed those riots, excuse me, "protests." The west in its current form is a sterile and fascist place, only caring about profits next quarter and not worth defending, especially for the likes of biden, psaki and the rest of the EU and commonwealth tyrants.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Anon

I view its status no differently then American photos of the flag on Iwo Jima. Nor do I think there is anything shameful, or for that matter anti-Christian, in calling back to that conflict.

You guys are really interesting.

I have no problem with the Russians celebrating the liberation of Russia, but in no way was Poland or the Czech/Slovak peoples liberated by the Red Army. It was the exchange of one tyranny for the other, and in many ways a far more brutal and merciless tyranny than the other. In Eastern and Central Europe, the Germans have largely been forgiven, but Russia on the other hand is hated still. The "butthurt" belt as /pol like to call them see the Russian victory celebrations as a justification of their own enlsavement to the Soviet Union.

Russia has yet to "decommify" like Germany has "denazified". Never mind the fact that Communism killed far more people than Fascism did. Russia would be far more palatable if it acknowledged the real pain caused by communism to other peoples (and its own) but instead celebrates it and tries to whitewash it. Imagine if Germany did what Russia did with Nazi symbolism. I guess you guys would be ok with it if it were anti-homo.

A lot of the degeneracy that has now enveloped the West was given "seed money" and cultivated by the USSR and you guys are OK with the symbolism and ideology that enabled that. And what's amazing is that it doesn't even give you guys any pause.

God help us.

Anonymous said...

Unless you acknowledge the moral bankruptcy of the west including the commonwealth that you defend over the last 8 years, accelerated after the last 2, we don't care. We will not commit our lives, our families lives or our resources to support a totalitarian and evil oligarchic system. The comonwealth nations have proven to be the among the worst.

Bruce said...

Hmmm. Long time occasional reader. A bit of talking past each other it seems.

First, the American right doesn’t support Putin. A very tiny number of internet commenters and writers support Putin.

Some commenters here are merely refusing to participate in the anti-Russian/pro-Ukraine hysteria. I’m sorry for innocent Ukraninans who are suffering but it’s all none of our business really. We have our own problems – this Slavic civil war is on the other side of the world. There’s literally no way a tiny number of internet writers and commenters can influence this thing one way or another.

Tom Piatak of Chronicles has also made a case against Russia. I like and respect Tom and I agree with his conclusion that we need to butt out.

Anonymous said...

In Eastern and Central Europe, the Germans have largely been forgiven, but Russia on the other hand is hated still. The "butthurt" belt as /pol like to call them see the Russian victory celebrations as a justification of their own enlsavement to the Soviet Union.

Who the hell cares? They're tiny, irrelevant countries with shrinking populations that won't be around for much longer anyway. If they want to protest commie actions then they should've opted four seven children per women, like the dirt-poor Afghans manage without difficulty. As it is, what's left of them will be Turkish or Russian slaves in a few decades anyway.

Sean said...


"Russia has yet to "decommify" like Germany has "denazified". Never mind the fact that Communism killed far more people than Fascism did."

Communism of course is a great evil. Helicopter memes and Pinochet memes are all about this. From the cheap seats, however, it looks like the intellectual core of the bolsheviks moved to America and became either leftists or neocons. That's what you are trying to describe with this:

"A lot of the degeneracy that has now enveloped the West was given "seed money" and cultivated by the USSR and you guys are OK with the symbolism and ideology that enabled that."

With your radical turn to David Frenchism, you are a lot closer to the people that started Russian communism than the "idiot right" is. We have not been fans of Russia, but now that the choice is between Putin and Klaus Schwab or Soros or doctors hacking off the sexual organs of children, the choice is pretty clear.

The ground has shifted under your feet. You're on the side of evil now, whether or not you realize it.

Anonymous said...

"With your radical turn to David Frenchism"

Yup... Definite cuckolded Shabbos Goy whiff about the turn this blog has taken.

Jaysus Effing Christ... Where does the SP get off when it comes to GloboHomo Poz and Degeneracy?... If he thinks this is somehow because of 'Muh Commies Yuri Bezmenov Tinfoil Hattery KGB Wot Dunnit' then he really needs to get out more. It's 2022 and Disney wants to castrate your grandsons... not Morning in America, FFS.

When you find yourself on the same side as Victoria Nuland, Donald Kagan and the whole Cossackus Bubbeitis Cabal, you really want to be re-examining your priors.

And no, none of this makes Putin any kind of saint. But to oppose him is to support far worse.

Anonymous said...

It's not surprising anymore when he links to globohomo analysis anymore. He seems to love the response to covid from the totalitarian globohomo outpost of Australia. No wonder he never spoke about it. On to the next current thing the totalitarian globohomo empire is upset about.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Bruce

First, the American right doesn’t support Putin. A very tiny number of internet commenters and writers support Putin.

The American "Right" is quite a broad church, but to acknowledge your point, yes I should be specific, I mean the American Dissident Right.

Mainstream conservatism is dying and the only life that is left in the Right is in its dissident elements. I also think it's the place where the thinking occurs, so I think it's important to contribute to that environment. Whether or not the US wants to help Ukraine is something it has to determine. I personally think that supporting the Ukes "IS" in the the US interest but I can understand how others would disagree. I fully acknowledge that Ukraine has its issues. But to frame the war in Ukraine as Christian East vs Secular West is to have warped version of Christianity. Dressing up murderers and liars with religious garb is to profane it. Inscribed on the belt buckle of the German Wehrmacht soldier was "Gott mit uns". I don't think Nazi Germany was the paragon of Christianity.

My problem is with the warped version of Christianity. 100 years ago, Protestants,Catholics, and Orthodox could agree on things like the wrongness of murder ,lying and rape. Modern Christians are quite prepared to turn a blind eye to any evil provided it furthers their cause. A lot of the disease of the West stems from the mental pathology that enables this. Rehabilitating Communism, or Nazism for that matter, within a Christian context is to understand neither. The tragic story of 20th C Christianity is that it lost its moral compass, which I feel is a large reason for its apostasy.





The Social Pathologist said...

@ Ivermectin Anonymous

He seems to love the response to covid from the totalitarian globohomo outpost of Australia. No wonder he never spoke about it

I didn't write about the whole COVID 19 thing for the same reason I don't write about Jewish issues: It attracts the lunatics.

@Sean

We have not been fans of Russia, but now that the choice is between Putin and Klaus Schwab or Soros or doctors hacking off the sexual organs of children, the choice is pretty clear.

I choose Christ. You can pick from the above mentioned but be warned, they're incompatible with him.

Anonymous said...

At least by your ivermectin response, you acknowledge your love of the totalitarian victorian response, including lockdowns, threats against doctors and citizens. Guess I know how you went when the subjects of Australia were disarmed and made slaves subject to asking permission to leave the continent.

Sean said...

Are you holier than God, who has used not just flawed but very sinful people to accomplish His purposes?

This is what God told the people Judah:

Jeremiah 27:11 ESV
But any nation that will bring its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serve him, I will leave on its own land, to work it and dwell there, declares the LORD.

God even told the Judah to serve Babylon, even though it would eventually be a hated enemy of God.

I choose to serve Jesus Christ, and that means not worshipping whatever the god of the rainbow flag is.

If your god is whatever David French serves, you need to repent. If you were truly arguing for neutrality, the pious "I serve Christ" would mean something. You are not neutral, and your fig leaf is rotting.

The Social Pathologist said...

@ Sean

Are you holier than God, who has used not just flawed but very sinful people to accomplish His purposes?

God can use whoever he wants for his purpose, but that doesn't justify his instrument.
If God chose Stalin to chastise the West it still wouldn't make Stalin a Christian.

Sean said...

No one says it does, but it is biblically correct to support "Stalin" IN his chastisement of the West whether or not he is a Christian.

The argument is not to justify "Stalin", and the argument is certainly not to justify God, but rather to accept when God uses something to chastise the wicked who currently control the West. Fighting against the chastisement of God would be foolish.

Anonymous said...

God won't ever use the commonwealth nations after their leaders and people went along with the permanent slavery so they could bow down to pfizer and the rainbow flag. There is no morality in Australia, Canada or the blue states of America. Service baal in ukraine if you must and do it so genital mutilations, censorship and corruption can continue the anglo way.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Sean

The argument is not to justify "Stalin",

But that is precisely what you're doing. Except it is Putin/ism in this instance.

but rather to accept when God uses something to chastise the wicked who currently control the West

Are you sure that's what God is doing? Has he told you this?

Here's angle you might want to explore. Note: I don't get any direct messages to God so this is just my speculation. But the way I see it, perhaps Putin is there to shake up the West AND to punish Russia and the Nationalist Orthodox Church. Perhaps He's disgusted by both sides of the divide.

That's why the solution here is not to choose between the lesser evil but the Good.

In supporting Ukrainian independence I'm not supporting globohomo, and in opposing idiotic Russian Nationalism I'm not opposing Russia. Even if I was a cheerleader for Russian Nationalism, the course Putin has taken has, and is going to be, disastrous for Russia in the long term. An independent Ukraine did not have to be the enemy of Russia and instead could have been an ally--and a strong counterbalance to the Globohomo West--but what Putin has done by his actions is push the Ukrainians further to the West and strengthen their sense of independent identity. Seriously, he couldn't have been more stupid and there are plenty of anti-globohomo Russians who see this as well. It's an own goal for Russia and the "dissident" Right.

I repeat. No wonder the Left wins all the time when our "own guys" are cheering them on.

Poland, on the other hand, has played its hand superbly. It too, is profoundly anti-globohomo, yet none of the "anti globhomo" dissident Right even bother to give it the time of day. That's an interesting thing in itself.

It too, has had historical grievances with Ukraine, but it has pursued policies and actions which have ultimately strengthened its hand, unlike Russia which has done the dumbest things it possibly could. A conservative Christian Russia would have been a profound counterbalance to the Godless West. But for Russia to be Christian it has to put God first and not Russian Nationalism. Pope Francis has disappointed me a lot over the past few months, but he was right on the money when he called Patriarch Kirill, "Putin's altar boy".

Anonymous said...

The enemy of your enemy is ... your enemies enemy.

I think the posture is reflexive, but unthinking acceptance of another evil doesn't help.

Also, this debacle is a disaster for Russia as well if you happened to support them. It also strengthened the globohomo position, in addition to being wrong.

Christianity always has to make these distinctions, like rejecting CRT while acknowledging original sin.

Anonymous said...

A godless totalitarian west you support. If you supported the lockdowns and gun confiscation, you're on the side of evil. A godless fascist state descended from the German monarchs. At least you supported globohomo in their quest to turn the west and it's citizens into the dump it was destined to become. I hope globohomo wastes everything including volunteers in the Ukrainian space.

Sean said...

You've written a lot here. Let's go through it one piece at a time.

"But that is precisely what you're doing. Except it is Putin/ism in this instance."

How much more explicit can I be? Comparing Russia to Babylon is not the justification you think it is, though I admit, I do not loathe the Eternal Russia. I think they are only people, people like everyone else. If anything, I feel a warmth and admiration for a people that endured the evils of communism and are trying to come out the other side. I hope my people, my nation would survive such evil as well as the Russians did.

But they are only flawed people, like any other nation.

"Are you sure that's what God is doing? Has he told you this?"

God has not told me anything, but the indications are obvious for those willing to observe the events and the reactions people have to them. Your reactions have been very instructive.

"Here's angle you might want to explore. Note: I don't get any direct messages to God so this is just my speculation. But the way I see it, perhaps Putin is there to shake up the West AND to punish Russia and the Nationalist Orthodox Church. Perhaps He's disgusted by both sides of the divide."

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

"That's why the solution here is not to choose between the lesser evil but the Good."

If you really believed this you would not have made several weeks posts attacking Russia. You would have stayed out of the discussion. Your first post about laser guided morality clearly indicated which side you were on.

"In supporting Ukrainian independence I'm not supporting globohomo, and in opposing idiotic Russian Nationalism I'm not opposing Russia."

Two things: the current Ukrainian government is a puppet of the west, if I understand things correctly, and was installed by color revolution methods. The Ukrainians are not independent, they are being used by the West.

Second, and this is a really big deal: why is nationalism, and Russian nationalism, idiotic? What are the alternatives to nationalism? Globalism is the only currently visible alternative power, so unless you have something else, there is nothing left but for me to assume that is what you support instead of "idiotic" nationalism.

"Even if I was a cheerleader for Russian Nationalism, the course Putin has taken has, and is going to be, disastrous for Russia in the long term."

This is definitely the talking point the media has said over and over again. I remain unconvinced.

" An independent Ukraine did not have to be the enemy of Russia and instead could have been an ally--and a strong counterbalance to the Globohomo West--but what Putin has done by his actions is push the Ukrainians further to the West and strengthen their sense of independent identity."

NATO was set on making Ukraine a member and thereby an enemy of Russia. Do you deny this?

If Putin succeeds in his stated goals he will have an ally of the Russian parts of Ukraine in the end.

" Seriously, he couldn't have been more stupid and there are plenty of anti-globohomo Russians who see this as well. It's an own goal for Russia and the "dissident" Right."

It's the reverse version of the underpants gnomes argument. Putin did what I didn't want, Putin stupid, Putin and supporters made an "own goal" because they didn't cooperate with what the west wanted.

"I repeat. No wonder the Left wins all the time when our "own guys" are cheering them on."

No wonder the Left has won a lot with the support of David French style speakers running cover for them.

"Poland, on the other hand, has played its hand superbly. It too, is profoundly anti-globohomo, yet none of the "anti globhomo" dissident Right even bother to give it the time of day. That's an interesting thing in itself."

You're not reading the same things I am. Poland has received praise for their behavior. You're "interesting point "is null.

Sean said...

(Continued)

"It too, has had historical grievances with Ukraine, but it has pursued policies and actions which have ultimately strengthened its hand, unlike Russia which has done the dumbest things it possibly could."

Dumbest things… this rhetoric just hangs on the air, unsupported by anything except the heat from the breath of those who spoke it.

"A conservative Christian Russia would have been a profound counterbalance to the Godless West. But for Russia to be Christian it has to put God first and not Russian Nationalism."

Again with the attacks on nationalism. Your posts over the years had led me to believe that you were understanding some of the issues with modern Christianity, in fact they were influential to my thinking. You had articulated similar critiques as Leon Podles, which inferred that you understood that Christianity had to recover some of the assertiveness it had lost, starting with the laity, because the clergy had become arrogant and blamed church problems on the laity, though they were the leaders and responsible.

I am a product of your line of thinking. I no longer have faith in leaders just because they are leaders, but examine what they do and say to see of it lines up with the truth I've been able to discover. Sadly, on this case it has been necessary to apply this critique to YOU. I regret that this is necessary and feel that if you were able to take some of your own logic to its conclusions over the years, your views would not have fallen into these present errors.

"Pope Francis has disappointed me a lot over the past few months, but he was right on the money when he called Patriarch Kirill, "Putin's altar boy"."

I thought Kirill's sermon inspiring.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Anon

I think the posture is reflexive, but unthinking acceptance of another evil doesn't help.

Bingo.


Also, this debacle is a disaster for Russia as well if you happened to support them. It also strengthened the globohomo position, in addition to being wrong.

Bingo Again.

Christianity always has to make these distinctions, like rejecting CRT while acknowledging original sin.

Triple Bingo!

The Social Pathologist said...

@ Sean

I feel a warmth and admiration for a people that endured the evils of communism and are trying to come out the other side.

You have no idea how much I want the average Russian to thrive and prosper. God knows how much they suffered under communism. But they need to repudiate it, else they will fall back into a different variant of it.

Though I will say one thing about the Russians. There seems to be more opposition in Russia to Putin than there was in Germany to Hitler. Lot's of brave people there, particularly the women.

If you really believed this you would not have made several weeks posts attacking Russia. You would have stayed out of the discussion. Your first post about laser guided morality clearly indicated which side you were on.

Russia bears the greater guilt here, that's why I'm calling them out. I think people have a fundamental right of self determination and self identity(within reasonable limits). The Ukrainians need to be allowed to be Ukrainians.

Two things: the current Ukrainian government is a puppet of the west, if I understand things correctly, and was installed by color revolution methods. The Ukrainians are not independent, they are being used by the West.

Intelligence agencies of both the U.S. and Russia vied for both Belarus and Ukraine. The Russians managed to swing things in Belarus for themselves while the Americans won Ukraine. But if Zelensky did not have popular support the Ukrainian military would not be offering the resistance that it is despite being outgunned. Morale matters. Zelensky may or may not be an American puppet but Ukrainian nationalism is real, and what Ukraine seems to want is to live in peace within its own borders, and the average Ukrainian seems prepared to fight for it.

What are the alternatives to nationalism?

Not all nationalism is the same. I advocate a Christian nationalism. Love of Country, Love of identity, within a Christian framework. i.e. "One nation, under God... etc " In Putin Nationalism, the God becomes an altar boy for the Tsar.

You're not reading the same things I am. Poland has received praise for their behavior.

Then if you don't like what I'm saying then support what Poland is doing and their position on Russia. They're throwing their lot in with Ukraine.

Bruce said...

This is interesting.

“Maybe it was NATO barking at Russia’s gate that compelled Putin to unleash the invasion of Ukraine,” Francis speculated in an interview with the Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera. “You cannot think that a free state can wage war on another free state…In Ukraine, it seems that it was others who created the conflict.”

“The Holy Father has also criticized the large number of weapons shipments that continue to flow to Ukraine, further speculating that this could merely be prolonging the conflict and subsequent suffering.”

https://nationalfile.com/barking-at-russias-door-pope-francis-says-nato-shares-blame-for-russia-ukraine-conflict/

The Social Pathologist said...

@ Bruce

I saw the original article in Corriere Della Serra and yes, the Pope did say those things though I think the National File took some of the quotes out of context.

Assuming that the interview was a accurate record of his comments, I felt the worst part of it was this:

"On the question of NATO countries supplying weapons to Ukraine to try to fend off Russian aggression, the Italian newspaper said Francis expressed his doubts.

On the one hand, his doctrine on peace has been centered on condemning the arms race and calling for the deescalation of weapons production, but he understands the need for Ukrainians to defend themselves.

“I can’t answer, I’m too far away, the question of whether it’s right to supply the Ukrainians,


On one hand he says the Ukrainians have a right to defend themselves but is not sure if they have the right to obtain the means to do so. It's a cop out answer most probably as result how to deal with the reality of injustice within a doctrine of Christian pacifism.

One of the reasons I've not been blogging much for a while is because I've been trying to get a grip with the theology of Hans Urs Von Balthasar, particularly his kenotic theology. He was enormously influential in both Catholic and Protestant Churches, and while I do not think he is an originator of the theology he was its most popular exponent. I personally think that this theology has "gutted" the Christian faith transforming our understanding of what Caritas-Love into something that it isn't. In a nutshell its a theology that gets God wrong and substitutes it for an anaemic pacifistic Christianity. Traditional Christianity, while have some faults, has a sounder understanding of God's love, but it's so hidebound to tradition, that it's incapable of applying tradition to modernity and to the problems of the times.

Francis is in many way "Orthodox" in the sense that he represents a long tradition of Pacifistic Christianity, one that was--wrongly in my opinion--tolerated in the past but never given power.






Bruce said...

Very interesting SP.

It's so hard to know what to believe in terms of what is happening - the internet has made this WORSE not better. So much propoganda from both sides.

About all I know for sure is Russia invaded Ukraine on a large scale. I have no idea about massacres (which are blamed by each side on the other with claims of staging and counterclaims that deny this). The mass media lies so much.

RE: the title of the blog post I do not think of Putin as a defender of Christianity. I think at best he is a defender of Russian Orthodoxy (not even EO as a whole).

Impossible to know reality so I say we stay out of it. I don't want my children incinerated for Zelensky or even the decent people of Ukraine.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Bruce

I think at best he is a defender of Russian Orthodoxy (not even EO as a whole).

I think Putin is a genuine Russian Nationalist, not just a simple political opportunist. He wants Russia to be great, the problem being is how do you understand "greatness". For Putin, any crime is justified in order to make Russia greater. For the Christian, the ends justifies the means morality, is never justified. Christian Nationalism has to be pursued through an ethical moral framework. It makes things a lot harder but its success is more lasting.

Don't get me wrong, the West is profoundly diseased, but those hoping for a moral renewal in the West cannot hitch their wagon to a cause which ditches morality at its first inconvenience.

You may not want your kids to die for Zelensky, and I don't want mine, but ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. We can't repeat the mistake of Chamberlain at Munich?
That doesn't mean we have to go all in. I'm happy just to arm the Ukes. If the Ukes want their freedom they're going to have to fight for it. The American did the fighting in Afghanistan and look what happened after they left.


Anonymous said...

Zelensky hitched his ride to Brandon and the diseased, moral decayed commonwealth and EU. An amoral, scummy and corrupt lot that should be taken down. He and ukraine could have remained neutral but they chose their lot and can fight to the last Ukrainian if they so choose. Not our problem and won't be. Same if the Chinese take Taiwan. Australia also chose the totalitarian road and can fight on their own as well.

Anonymous said...

For the Christian, the ends justifies the means morality, is never justified. Christian Nationalism has to be pursued through an ethical moral framework.

Lmao. I bet you think it's "wrong" to drive the invaders, women and children included, into the sea or to sink the boats and machine gun survivors.

Sean said...

"I think Putin is a genuine Russian Nationalist, not just a simple political opportunist. He wants Russia to be great, the problem being is how do you understand "greatness". For Putin, any crime is justified in order to make Russia greater. For the Christian, the ends justifies the means morality, is never justified. Christian Nationalism has to be pursued through an ethical moral framework. It makes things a lot harder but its success is more lasting."

I think the worst part is the boring predictability of the political Donatist. Unless things are done in accordance with what the Western liberal order wants, it isn't True Christian Nationalism. God save us from boomercons and their hubris.

Bruce said...

Not posted to argue against you or your critics. I just thought this was interesting. A debate about whether Azov neo nazis are LARP'rs/just into symbolism or functional neo nazis. From Ilana Mercer's site. Lot's of interesting details that I can't confirm or deny.

https://rumble.com/embed/v11tifb/

The Social Pathologist said...

@ Bruce

Nebojsa Malic is hardly an "objective" commentator.

https://thesaker.is/saker-interview-with-nebojsa-malic-aka-grey-falcon/

The Social Pathologist said...

@ Bruce

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/authors/nebojsa-malic/

Anonymous said...

No more objective or subjective than the globohomo sources you love.

Bruce said...

Yes sir. I did not day he was. There are Ukranian nazis. I don't know if they are larp'rs or real nazis. It's all very bizarre. I could easily see how ideological nazis could see Ukraine as the battle ground for a homeland for the pure white (pagan) race, that area being the proto indo-European homeland. My guess is the Uke nazis see that place as their battleground for the pure white race. The Russians, being much more mixed (see Razib Khan) would be an enemy.

A number of pagan far right Americans are pro Ukraine. I think Richard Spencer is one.

Anonymous said...

Since they're pagan, a pro Christian, powerful Russia is a natural enemy. Whether or not Putin's Christianity is sincere.

Anonymous said...

Yeah. Yawn. 1-outta-1 bites-the-dust.
So get right with God first... then, you
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The Social Pathologist said...

Sorry Lads.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/15/orthodox-christian-unity-broken-by-russian-world-heresy-a76922

Anonymous said...

Not really anything new. Whatever "Christianity" in the dumpster totalitarian commonwealth and EU isn't even worth listening too. It preserved nothing and went along with the fascist lockdown and beatings by the despicable secular rulers like the evil that comes out of Victoria. I'm sure the rulers did it all in the name of Christ. The corruption out of Russia and Ukraine along with the evil out of dc, Ottawa, Brussels, London and Sydney can perish in the donbass together.

Sean said...

Its the orthodox equivalent of the Gospel Coalition doing their usual thing.

How bad has all of this broken your brain? You used to be an interesting guy with some unique insight. Where did slumlord go?

Blink twice if you are writing all this under duress.

Bruce said...

Respectfully, as I’m not a hostile interlocuter and hopefully not an idiot.

The article cites 1 parish in the Netherlands that requested a canonical dismissal. One parish. It implies there will be more by emphasizing that it’s the first. It tries to impress with irrelevant numbers: “founded in 1974, has congregants of more than 20 nationalities.” A parish in Amsterdam that’s exactly as old as I am and is diverse has asked for a dismissal.

“an open letter in Russian signed by almost 300 Orthodox clergy in Russia and abroad called for an immediate end to the hostilities.”

There’s over 40,000 full time clergyman in the Russian church and I’m not sure if that counts ROCOR. The letter is less than 1%.

“and has even been taken up by the Far Right and Catholic and Protestant fundamentalists.”

Oh no! Catholic and Protestant fundamentalists!! This sounds like every leftist Huffington Post article you ever read. Sarcasm directed at the article not you.

“This spiritual center stands against what its adherents consider “the corrupt West, led by the United States and Western European nations, which has capitulated to ‘liberalism,’ ‘globalization.’ ‘Christianophobia,’ ‘homosexual rights’ promoted in gay parades, and ‘militant secularism’.”

LoL! The article makes our case for us!! All that is true!!

Respectfully, Doc.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Sean and Bruce

Criticism taken.

I've had busy few weeks at work so haven't been able to put some more time into the blog. But if you guys want, do a bit a research yourselves an you will see that there is a lot of criticism of Putin, and the current Russian governing class, from within the Christian Orthodox "right" in Russia. They were the ones that got Stalin's image removed from the Cathedral, not some lefties. They were unhappy about the soviet imagery included in the cathedral because they could see that the philosophy that reconciled the two was profoundly anti-Orthodox Christian.

These guys are hostile to the West's globohomo but they see that Putin's Russian Nationalism has no substance to it and in fact is a variant of it. It is literally lipstick on a pig, and a very rotten pig too. You guys are committing the same intellectual errors than many Catholic clergy did in the 1930's in their support of Hitler. The Catholic theologian Yves Simon has some good books on the subject. A lot of the lack of support for Charles de Gaulle in France at the time was because the "Right" was in the thralls of Hitler, seeing him as a saviour of Europe.

"“This spiritual center stands against what its adherents consider “the corrupt West, led by the United States and Western European nations, which has capitulated to ‘liberalism,’ ‘globalization.’ ‘Christianophobia,’ ‘homosexual rights’ promoted in gay parades, and ‘militant secularism’.”

The official Nazi ideology of Germany supported all the above things too, does that make it a cause to support?

The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. And this is not political "Donatism". Seriously, read the works of James A Gregor:

https://www.amazon.com/Faces-Janus-Marxism-Fascism-Twentieth/dp/0300106025

Respectfully, You guys are literally supporting globohomo in another guise. I see it, the dissident Right Orthodox Church in Russia sees it too. You've got to get out of this false dichotomy.

The spirtual destruction of the West has come about because is because Christianity has been replaced by an "atheism" which comes in both right and left flavours. The majority of people can't see beyond the dichotomy.

My aim with this blog has been to show people that we have to step outside this dichotomy and choose the Christian option.

Clearly I've failed.

Bruce said...

I have no ability to support Putin. I am just an internet commenter on some small blogs. My position is that my country should remain neutral. It's not worth the risk of my family being incinerated.

Anonymous said...

The Christian option you espoused went down the drain the minute it became clear you supported globohomo the last two years. The secular gnostic dictatorship exemplified out of Victoria was supported by you. Any entity that punches that kind of evil is worth at the least not interfering with. Good luck with the Chinese cause we will fight to make sure we are not dragged into the next fight between two fascist nations like the current battle.

Sean said...


This is some real 69d chess thing. The premise is that by standing with all the leftists and leaders who represent true evil, who are doing everything in their power to destroy western civilization, we can be True Christian Nationalists. Putin is so evil, such a threat, that we have to join with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Hillary and every other person that hates us, in order to defeat Putin.

Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds? You are trying to make the case that joining these people in their efforts is how we can escape the twin evils of communism and fascism. By joining with the people trying to destroy our nations from within.

This barely even rises to the level of propaganda.

"The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. And this is not political "Donatism"."

You are literally arguing that Putin's enemies are currently the ones we should be making common cause with right now. You know, the people freaking out that Roe V Wade might be overturned. You need to face this fact and have an answer for it if you are going to argue that the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

Saying that "this is not political donatism" is not an argument. You ARE a political donatist, whether you can face that fact or not. Only dead politicians have your approval. We live in the here and now and must deal with reality as it exists, and can't raise De Gaulle from the dead. Proving that you are something more than a political donatist requires you to deal with some of these arguments and not simply make unsupported assertions.

Fascism=communism is an argument so juvenile that it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, and yet, I'm going to touch on just two small areas that blow the theory up.

1. Did Franco try to destroy the catholic church and put Christians in a Gulag?

2. Who are fascisms mortal enemies? Every time fascists fight, they fight a) Communists, and b) Liberals that are trying to open the door for communists to take power.

"The spirtual destruction of the West has come about because is because Christianity has been replaced by an "atheism" which comes in both right and left flavours. The majority of people can't see beyond the dichotomy."
This could be interesting if you would expand on it more, if it leads somewhere beyond the horseshoe theories of 2017.

"My aim with this blog has been to show people that we have to step outside this dichotomy and choose the Christian option."

The Christian discipline of discernment exists because a large chunk of life in this vale of tears actually necessitates learning how to properly choose between the lesser of two evils. This doesn't mean choosing evil, it means choosing the better of all the bad options, and no, it has very little to do with voting.

Russian Orthodox Christians teach the acceptance of life situations as God has allowed them to occur, without making the errors of either raging against the situation God has placed us in, or fleeing from the bad situation. It teaches that virtue is found in acceptance and in bearing the Fruit of the Spirit while in the bad situation.

Your desire to choose the "Christian Option", which you do not describe beyond resistance to Putin, is in my opinion the second error. You wish to flee from the situation that God has allowed Christians to be in, and want to choose the "Christian Option" without describing what that entails or making any arguments for it or substantively answering your critics.

I hope you work through this and develop some logical coherence on these specific issues, because prior to this your insights were both valuable and helpful.

The Social Pathologist said...
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The Social Pathologist said...

@Sean

If Kamala and Joe weren't supporting Ukrainian independence would you support it?

Or, if I understand you accurately, are you saying the issue of Ukrainian independence is synonymous with globohomo?

The Social Pathologist said...

@Bruce

I have no ability to support Putin. I am just an internet commenter on some small blogs. My position is that my country should remain neutral. It's not worth the risk of my family being incinerated.

I'm assuming that you're in the U.S. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) your country (and Russia) signed the Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing the independence of Ukraine. You're on the hook.

Even then, the Ukes aren't asking for U.S. kids to bleed. They're happy to fight the Russians. And another point. It's not the Ukes who are threatening you and your family with incineration.

Anonymous said...

Oh, not asking us to die but send billions of our currency down their diseased rathole of a nation to be laundered back to the evil fascist nato and its affiliates. They can go it alone, all alone as they should. Oh but ten million have already jumped ship to drain the EU so they all can get what they deserve.

Sean said...

No. It's even worse. Effectively the entire Western media and governmental apparatus is opposed to Putin.

Have you thought through what "the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily my friend" actually means?

Whether or not you realize it, in your opposition to Putin you have aligned yourself with corrupt western leadership in reaction against whatever evil you see in Putin. You have not chosen the lesser of two evils at all, but you have made the typical conservative error.

This blog is saying the same things NRO says. That should give you pause.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Sean

You didn't answer my question.

Sean said...

Yes. I did.

"No."

You haven't answered my points.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Sean

Just to be clear, you don't support Ukrainian independence. Is that correct?

The Social Pathologist said...

@ Sean

Putin is so evil, such a threat, that we have to join with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Hillary and every other person that hates us, in order to defeat Putin.

I'm not trying to defeat Putin, I'm arguing for Ukraine's right to exist and its legitimate right to self-defence.

1. Did Franco try to destroy the catholic church and put Christians in a Gulag?


Spain is one of the most secular countries in Europe now. Franco did not strengthen the faith.

Who are fascisms mortal enemies?

Everyone who is not a fascist. Sophie Scholl wasn't either a commie or a homo.

The Christian discipline of discernment exists because a large chunk of life in this vale of tears actually necessitates learning how to properly choose between the lesser of two evils.

Yes it does, but it doesn't compel us to a simple dichotomy. If Ukraine were attacking Russia I would be supporting Russia, but my criticism's of Russia state sponsored Orthodoxy would still remain. I'm happy with an independent conservative orthodoxy in Russia. What your trying to do is justify Russia's land grab as some kind of noble Christian endevour. You'd be doing the same if Russia invaded Poland, which is getting the heat from the EU for not being globohomo enough.

The fact that you can't accept Ukraine as a non-globohomo country means that Christian status of Ukraine doesn't matter to you at all. You're problem is Ukraine not globohomo.

Russian Orthodox Christians teach the acceptance of life situations as God has allowed them to occur, without making the errors of either raging against the situation God has placed us in, or fleeing from the bad situation.

As a Catholic I don't get that option if I want to be honest to my faith.

By the way, as some of the serious Russian Orthodox have noted, Putin's commo-christianity is not Christianity.

Sean said...

I support their self determination. If the eastern Russian speaking areas want to be part of Russia, they should be allowed to choose that. If the western areas want to be their own country, they should be allowed to choose that.

Sean said...

What is your "Christian option"?

Sean said...


"Spain is one of the most secular countries in Europe now. Franco did not strengthen the faith."

Did he try to destroy the Catholic church though? My point was that fascism and communism are not comparable. You are arguing horseshoe theory, which is interesting in its own way, but is a typically libcon response to the dissident right.

"What your trying to do is justify Russia's land grab as some kind of noble Christian endevour. You'd be doing the same if Russia invaded Poland, which is getting the heat from the EU for not being globohomo enough."

You see a land grab, but I see Russians defending Russians from terrorism. Russia, as any country, makes a lot of mistakes, but defending your people from terrorism is generally known to be a good thing, and should receive support.

You just pulled Poland out of your a__.

"The fact that you can't accept Ukraine as a non-globohomo country means that Christian status of Ukraine doesn't matter to you at all. You're problem is Ukraine not globohomo."

Where is this internet space? Were you not part of the dissident right blogosphere? How is it possible that you are unable to look up dissident sources and perspectives to figure out the other side of the story? Is it possible that Zelensky, Burisma, Hunter Biden, biological labs, shelling in Donbass, and azov battalion all point in a single direction?

I fear that you are a midwit, unable to look beyond CNN. Ah well. The idea that I have a problem with Ukraine instead of Globohomo is absurd. Reason through these issues. Use your doctor brain. Think deeper.

"As a Catholic I don't get that option if I want to be honest to my faith."

So as a Catholic you can't accept life as it happens, but must either rage against it or try to escape it? You can't demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit? Jesus did not rage against the cross or try to escape it, but recognized it as the Will of God to suffer for a time. Crucifixion is not a Good, but Good came from it.

Bruce said...

LoL a midwit he is not. I have no idea how he manages to practice medicine and create such broad content.

If he's a midwit I'm retarded.

Bruce said...

Doc I don't care whose nukes. It's not like I'm gonna tell my kids at t=30 seconds to impact "it's Russian not Ukranian nukes." Budapest Shmudapest.

The Ukranian people are not globohomo but the (((leadership))), not just political, looks like it. Are the documented facts in this article wrong? Or just the interpretation?

https://www.unz.com/article/the-jewish-hand-in-world-war-three/

The Social Pathologist said...

@Sean

My point was that fascism and communism are not comparable

The contention of this blog is that they are different flavors of the same thing. Yeah sure, they have differences but their underlying metaphysics is what unites them. Fascism and Communism both subordinate everything to the state. National/class interest trumps moral law. Commo-Christianity is like Judeo-Christianity, a fusion of two incompatible things. Fascism is socialism for those of a conservative bent, communism for those who are liberal.

You see a land grab, but I see Russians defending Russians from terrorism.

You're seeing this that other people aren't seeing.

You just pulled Poland out of your a__.

Poland is the problem isn't it. The whole anti-globohomo narrative collapses when you factor Poland (and Hungary) into the equation. Both are profoundly anti-Globohomo and taken Ukraine's side in this fight. Or are they part of the Globohomo conspiracy? Russian state media have made threats to Poland and the Baltics countries implying they're next. Clearly they're terrorising Russia as well?

I fear that you are a midwit,

Then maybe you should go to another blog, you really need to hang around smarter people.













The Social Pathologist said...

@Bruce

The Ukranian people are not globohomo but the (((leadership))), not just political, looks like it. Are the documented facts in this article wrong? Or just the interpretation?

Both Russia and the US have been "regime engineering" in Ukraine, and Belarus. The Russians succeed in Belarus, the Americans in Ukraine. The Anglo-Saxon countries are main advocates for globohomo and have engineered a congenial regime there. If Ukraine had been left alone I don't think Zelensky would have been elected. I would like to point out that before the war, Zelenski had 31% approval rating implying that most Ukrainians were unhappy with him.

Transparency International ranks Russia and Ukraine roughly on the same level in terms of corruption. So the fact that Ukraine is riddled with corruption is to be expected. The fact that foreigners are exploiting this corruption is not surprising either. ( I hope to write some posts on my reflections of corruption in Eastern Europe)

The Ukrainians know that their country and leadership are corrupt but not fighting for their country and leadership. Is American patriotism synonymous with support of the Biden government? No it's not. Most people can draw the distinction between their politicians and the country. The Ukrainians are fighting for a Ukraine in which they can choose their future, not have the Russians make those choices for them. They want, and are prepared to fight, for their independence. I think that they have a just right in this regard.

Sean said...

"The contention of this blog is that they are different flavors of the same thing."

You're seeing something that others are not seeing, except for the most mediocre of cuckservative commentators.

"Poland is the problem isn't it. The whole anti-globohomo narrative collapses when you factor Poland (and Hungary) into the equation. Both are profoundly anti-Globohomo and taken Ukraine's side in this fight. Or are they part of the Globohomo conspiracy? Russian state media have made threats to Poland and the Baltics countries implying they're next. Clearly they're terrorising Russia as well?"

Much simpler than that, Poland and Hungary are caught between a rock and a hard place and are thus using realpolitic to the best of their abilities by not fully committing to either side, but giving the correct impressions to the right people to allow people to draw the conclusions they wish to draw, as you have done here.

"really need to hang around smarter people."

I read smart people, and do my best to learn from them. At one point you were more interesting, but your takes are so mundane and mainstream at this point. I would not have continued to comment on this issue if I hadn't previously received a lot of value from your blog. The sudden change to Jonah Goldberg tier commentary is jarring and disappointing.

Bruce said...

JM Smith of the Orthosphere does not think the Russians are the bad guys. I like and respect him. He is certainly not an idiot.

Men like me, not very educated or highly intelligent tend to find men we look up to, intellectually, and that we trust. Sometimes they validate our gut feelings.

As I say I also like and respect Tom Piatak and I think he is closer to your position. Just trying to show you the perspective of the common everyman.

So hard to know what's really happening. "Russians are slaughtering everyone and eating their livers" vs. "Russians are doing their utmost to limit civilian casualties."

https://orthosphere.wordpress.com/2022/05/18/the-reality-of-the-great-replacement/#comment-160772

The Social Pathologist said...

JM Smith of the Orthosphere does not think the Russians are the bad guys.

He's wrong about the Russians.

So hard to know what's really happening. "Russians are slaughtering everyone and eating their livers" vs. "Russians are doing their utmost to limit civilian casualties."


You've got to avoid the dichotomies. Life is much more complicated. The Ukrainians aren't angels and the Russians are not saints.

Bruce said...

No problem with that last sentence. I don't know that Vlad is God's hammer. Russians not saints for invading - check.

Information is so partisan/propaganda. Hard to know what's real. Ukraine is winning. Russia is winning. IDK.

Sean said...

It's literally Globohomo vs Russia, proved in as emphatic a way as possible, even geographically close to the fighting: https://nationalfile.com/breaking-u-s-air-force-base-hosts-drag-queen-story-time/

Anonymous said...

Yeah but it's definitely russkies after us as opposed to the brain dead commonwealth, EU and blue state conformist mob. Hope the WEF and the freaks in the western bureaucracy save the world from the current thing to make the world safe to castrate and mutilate your children.

Phileas_Frogg said...

Since my last comment I must admit I've come round from a circumstantially favorable assessment of this whole ordeal, at least in terms of global geopolitics (still considered it awful for the poor Ukies and Russkies caught up in it), to a very Bearish assessment.

It appears both sides are so woefully incompetent, misguided and evil that the only long-term accomplishment of this will be human suffering. Turns out it's not Globohomo vs Russia, or Orthodox Christianity, it's Globohomo vs Same-old Inferiority Complex fueled Eurasianism. Being that Eurasianism is purely negative, that is to say that it does not make positive assertions, but rather exists solely in opposition to Western Culture, it cannot really be considered apart from us, in a cultural sense. It is not separate or apart from Western Culture, but rather our penumbra, and so it cannot sustain itself without us, it IS us, as an inversion. It does exist, but only in opposition.

Remove the object of oppositional defiance, and it will wither and dissipate like the morning fog.

No, we either find our Resurrection in Christ or we, being the West, go down into Sheol. Possibly Gehenna. I hope not.

Russia will not be saving or Re-Christianizing the West, but it may yet be wielded as an instrument to bring about that Salvation...God willing.

I was wrong, and I'm willing to admit it. Well done SP, I knew you were a trustworthy writer, but I should have trusted you more.

Sean said...

This might be the most Extremely Online assessment of the situation I've read.

Russia is its own nation with a long history, it is just as much of the East as it is of the West, which may be why you think it only exists in opposition to the West, but according to you they only exist to oppose the West, and don't have their own interests which they are pursuing.

We could be so lucky if they are truly completely opposed to the morally decadent and depraved West.

The more deranged anti Russian sentiment I hear, and the more illogical it is, the more I think that God is making fools of the wise and working for His own purposes in this whole affair.

Scrutineer said...

I'm assuming that you're in the U.S. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) your country (and Russia) signed the Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing the independence of Ukraine. You're on the hook.

The U.S. turned Ukraine into a client state back in 2014, but you're going to pretend the Budapest Memorandum requires we give military aid to the post-Yanukovych regime in the name of that country's "idependence"?

This is Reagan's ambassador to USSR describing our involvement there: "So far as Ukraine is concerned, U.S. intrusion into its domestic politics was deep—to the point of seeming to select a prime minister. It also, in effect, supported an illegal coup d’etat that changed the Ukrainian government in 2014, a procedure not normally considered consistent with the rule of law or democratic governance."

They're a GAE colony that pays tribute to the U.S. ruling class. (E.g., Ukraine giving lucrative Burisma board seats to Biden's crackhead son and Romney's ex-CIA advisor.)

PS: None of this entails the conclusion that Russia should have invaded or that Putin is "our guy." But Zelensky and his handlers are not my friends.

Anonymous said...

No one should forget that fact and also how Ukrainian American vindman conspired with deep state spook ciarmella to impeach Trump over Ukrainian corruption. If the deep state and nato scum cares so much for their colony, they can send the likes of those two to go and die for their laundering operation.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Phileas-Fogg

Being that Eurasianism is purely negative, .....It does exist, but only in opposition.

I would agree with a lot of that sentiment.

Though I just like to make a point. There is such a thing as a "positive Russia", something that stands on its own and is not a reactionary "opposite". One the of things that I was hoping for is that it could have grown under a Putin--who would have ignored it--and provided a counterbalance to some of the current Globohomo, but unfortunately this is going to wither due to the current internal dynamics of Russia.
It won't be the West that destroys this "positive Russia" rather the commo-orthodox branch of Russian nationalism will.

Bruce said...

My friend and Catholic brother. The Western media has been more effective in de-nazi-fying Ukraine than Putin has. The Nazi thing is real sir.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/azovreplist.html

The Social Pathologist said...

My friend and Catholic brother. The Western media has been more effective in de-nazi-fying Ukraine than Putin has.

The Western Media will lie about anything if it serves its purposes. You have no quibble with me on that matter. Does the Azov regiment have strong Nazi sympathies? you bet but is the Ukrainian government trying to rehabilitate Nazism? No way. The fact that the Ukrainians aren't following the Hollywood scriptline when it comes to "policing" Nazi's stems from the fact that the German's have a different reputation in Eastern Europe than in the West.

Eastern Europe, while recognising Nazism as an evil regard Communism as far worse. The repeat message seen on Ukrainian telegram channels is while the Nazi's were bad the Russians were worse. The commies have never been rehabilitated in Eastern Europe like they have been in the U.S.

I still find it strange that I'm being chided for not supporting a government that is trying to rehabilitate communism.

Strange days.

Anonymous said...

You're being chided for siding with globohomo and it's appendages. Guess it's not surprising coming from a Victoria native. Got the triple whammy of commonwealth totalitarianism and covid hysteria.

Anonymous said...

I'm not convinced a hammer and sickle in their cathedral is rehabilitating communism.

I will not chide you for not supporting Putin. I will not support or root for Ukraine or globohomo. I feel sorry for many Ukranians.

Strange days indeed. Look at this headline:

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1531474766707707905

Bruce said...

Sorry doc that was me.

Take a look at this. Very strange days.

https://patriactionary.wordpress.com/2022/05/31/wipe-out-that-imperialist-menace-vlad/

Scrutineer said...

This is how the UK and US promote Ukraine's independence: "According Ukrainska Pravda sources close to Zelenskyy, Boris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought [a] simple message... that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, [the West] are not."
- link

Ukraine's sovereignty and welfare don't matter at all. If a long war can be used to harm Putin, it's irrelevant that Ukraine is ground to rubble in the process.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Bruce

I'm not convinced a hammer and sickle in their cathedral is rehabilitating communism.

Even the Left see it:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/10/vladimir-putin-russia-rehabilitating-stalin-soviet-past

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/08/739037704/amid-quiet-rehabilitation-of-stalin-some-russians-honor-the-memory-of-his-victim


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/vladimir-putins-rewriting-of-history-draws-on-a-long-tradition-of-soviet-myth-making-180979724/

https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/81718

Smarter conservatives see it as well:

https://www.hoover.org/research/russias-re-stalinization

You can find heaps more academic stuff if you want to do a cursory search of it.

I feel sorry for many Ukranians.

That's a good thing, but it appears that many Ukrainians don't want to be Russian and are prepared to fight for it. (This seems to be glossed over in these debates) Once again, anyone with a little bit of familiarity on the subject will realise that there is a whole Russian narrative out there which states that "Ukraine" is a made up nationality without a right to exist. Nothing to do with Globohomo at all. If the dissident Right is to stand for anything it should stand for the principle of identity.


@Scrutineer

This is how the UK and US promote Ukraine's independence:

Dude, tell me something I don't know. Yalta? Munich? The early years of the War in Yugoslavia where the "conservatives" in the UK and US actively blocked arms supplies to the Croats. Eastern Europe has no illusions about the West's commitment to their freedom. The Betrayal of the West is a lived experience in EE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

The Ukes weren't looking for War, it's the Russians who bought it to them. This was a strategic blunder on Russia's sake for a variety of reasons. The Ukes want independence and the Americans want to weaken Russia, it's a congruence of two separate interests.

The Americans were all friendly to Russia until it thwarted it's Middle East policy. American strategic policy seems to be directed towards weakening Russia with that in mind. There's no doubt that the American support of the Ukrainians is within the context of this overall scheme. If the Russians had supported the US in the Middle East there'd be no arms supplies to the Ukes.

But the desire for a Ukrainian identity and country is endogenous and not the product of US policy. Once you start saying that the Ukrainian identity is the product of Nazi ideology then you might as well say that WASP idenity is the product of Nazi ideology, and you know who says that? The guys cheering the hammer and sickle.

Anonymous said...

More and more globohomo sources enthralled to the putin helped Trump nonsense. Jeez make us go from neutral to go putin even more why don't ya. Judging by the covid response from the commonwealth and blue states, they seem to have more in common with the fascists than they thin which is why they supply them weapons in ukraine.

Anonymous said...

And now that we enter the deadly sin month, we can exposed to more and more of what the Ukrainians are dying for on behalf of their 5 eye and EU masters. This includes an actual gay brigade in ukraine with a unicorn badge. You can't make this stuff up. I'd expect the commonwealth to wear the WEF and pfizer logos into battle next.

Bruce said...

Yeah I saw that. Instead of the glory brigade it's the glory hole brigade.

Bruce said...

@SP

The contemporary left are definitely NOT Stalinists. They know Stalinism will be perceived as bad by almost everyone. OF COURSE, there're going to use that against Putin. Same for the neocon/mainstream right. They don't see themselves as in solidarity with Stalin so you're "even the Left" comment doesn't seem relevant to me.

My guess is Russia will take the predominantly Russian parts of Ukraine permanently but won't destroy the Ukranian ethnicity. Unlike us in the West Ukes will have the opportunity to exist as a distinct group.

Sean said...

It's Pride Month, and there are promotions for the usual degeneracy everywhere.

How fitting it would be if during this month, the holiest month of western globohomo, the forces of sodomy defending Ukraine were defeated by Russia, and the puppet Ukrainian government, the one created and sponsored by the western forces of sodomy, was defeated and brought to account. How fitting if, during this month, Russia was to grant the remaining Western Ukrainians their own self rule, out from under the thumb of Sodomy Inc.

Robert Brockman II said...

I had a strange experience several months ago which seems relevant to this discussion:

In January, as part of catechumenate class (around 15 people) at the local Greek Orthodox cathedral, we got a visit from an Archon of the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. He talked quite a bit about the upcoming war in Ukraine, especially the religious aspects of it. Apparently ever since the recognition of the Ukrainian patriarchate, Putin and Kirill have been totally disrespecting the religious "territory" of all patriarchs who have accepted the Ukrainian patriarchate, going so far as to set up new Russian Orthodox churches in Turkey and Africa.

Now my mother's family were kulaks from Ukraine (near Odessa) who fortunately got out way early, so my informed opinions about Communism, Stalin, and Hitler are pretty much what you would expect -- my default bias was to believe the Archon's claim that Putin is bad news. This is especially easy since we know that 80,000 Chechen civilians didn't vote for Putin in the last election because they are *dead*.

There are just two problems with the Archon's position. First, I know about the recent Orthodox "synod", in which a whole bunch of obvious poz was injected and ratified *contrary to procedure* (unanimity is required, and the Russians stayed out). Second, with every word the Archon spoke he sounded more and more like a State Department asset, it was genuinely creepy, I left with a terrible feeling, wondering if I needed to search for a different church.

Something is very, very wrong here.

Sean said...

This is an example of what you're talking about Robert.

https://orthochristian.com/146374.html

Bruce said...

Strange times indeed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/maksymeristavi/status/1534181697448824832

Anonymous said...

Ukraine the queer capitol of Eastern Europe.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/21/ukraine-pride-parade-canceled-russia/7638611001/?gnt-cfr=1