Thursday, April 07, 2022

A Pseudo-Right Own Goal

The Pseudo Right support of Putin only results in the furthering of the causes of the Left.

The facts were quite clear. Among Putin's four military interventions in the former Soviet space, three targeted Christian and Orthodox countries. The direct aggression against Georgia was to the benefit of the Muslim Abkhazians. During the last conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, the French far right and the Republicans (Les R├ępublicains) called for Christian solidarity against the Turkish-Muslim threat. I had reminded them in an article (Le Monde, 18 November 2020) that the Russians were on Azerbaijan's side and not at all on the Armenians' side. They let the Azeris take over Karabakh and then pretended to intervene. In the wake of the war in Chechnya, Putin supported the Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov. The only place in geographical Europe where Sharia law is applied is in the Republic of Chechnya, in Russia. The attack on another Orthodox nation, Ukraine, will further accentuate the divisions in the Orthodox world but also in the Christian world in general (the Ukrainian Catholic Uniates are a bastion of Ukrainian patriotism). The only Ukrainian patriarch who still recognises the supremacy of Patriarch Cyril of Moscow, Onuphre, has just called on the faithful to defend the Ukrainian homeland. Putin has lost his claim to represent the Orthodox world.


Great essay by Oliver Roy. Note, in quoting Roy I don't agree with all that he says. I'm a big believer in the Clash of Civilisations theory. The problem isn't with the theory but in what is considered a civilisation. Samuel Huntington painted with too broad a brush, failing to appreciate that local factors--which cause the formation of identity--modify this theory quite a bit.


27 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yeah yeah, we get, Putin man bad, globohomo good, globohomo never lie, blah blah blah. Ukraine definitely isn't a Western puppet regime set up after a coup constantly shelling its Russian population and doing its damnedest to insert Western faggotry into slavdom.

Anonymous said...

And another globohomo source, this one founded by the forerunner to the EU. Wonder what way they will spin things? Did they advocate the fascist, totalitarian and evil response to Covid19 like the rest of the idiotic commonwealth and most EU nations?

The Social Pathologist said...

Anonymous

Did they advocate the fascist, totalitarian and evil response to Covid19 like the rest of the idiotic commonwealth and most EU nations?

Forgot to take your Ivermectin?

The issue here is not his pedigree but whether what he says is true. One of the problem with the pseudo-Right is that in it efforts to be anti-Left it pushes a contrarian line to the point of absurdity. If the New York Times were to publish the fact: 1+1=2 then many of the pseudo-Right would insist that it is a lie simply by the fact that it was published in the NYT. Seriously, this is so tiresome.

Anonymous said...

The issue here is not his pedigree but whether what he says is true.

It isn't. Ever. The enemy are pathological liars, anything they say is, if investigated inevitably any claim they make inevitably turns out to be a heavy slant at best and downright made up more regularly. For instance, this one neglects to mention that the only reason there are Christians (and Alawis) left in Syria at all is because Putin stepped in and more or less single-handedly saved them from the US backed ISIS and friends, who were openly salivating to slaughter them all.

The idea that you would support Ukraine, with its pitiful 1.2 tfr, bleeding out its last precious generation of men so that a Jewish comedian doesn't have to face a Russian firing squad, is so obviously Ukraine is in no position to fight anyone, is just risible. A regime that wasn't a hostile Western puppet would recognize this and surrender to avoid destroying what little fertile-age population it has left. A Russian occupation is a historical blip in comparison to what they will lose. Which, I'm quite sure, is the point.

Anonymous said...

Finally, by your comment you claim your side and pretty much admit you prefer and liked the fascism offered by the commonwealth and EU over the last two years. You probably liked the beatings, the erosion of freedom and the threats against the citizenry especially in Victoria. No wonder you only offer analysis from globohomo sources. You don't want freedom. Your preference is the slavery offered by globohomo.

Latter Day American said...

Anon, you're putting yourself in a blindspot. Yes, mediarags do lie and slant and distort--no denial of this--but it is false to claim that those same mediarags never tell anything truthful and factual. If anything, Leftist agendas can even feel irresistably compelled to publish facts when it comes to say establishment politician/lobbying corruption or an oil railway/pipeline issue.

You are free to ignore/dismiss/avoid the globohomo-tier newsbrands, but you are being dishonest when you attack someone who is actively distilling and assessing information rather than lazy meme responses. Social Pathologist is justified in his rebuke.

Anonymous said...

An establishment politician? Just like the massive corruption and criminality of the Clinton and Biden families during the 2016 and 2020 epections? Is that the kind of truthfulness one can expect from the "media" with regards to establishment politicians?

Anonymous said...

@Latter Day American: First, there's more than one anon here. Second, this is provably a lie. Russia's most significant intervention prior to Ukraine was precisely to prop up the side opposing the slaughter of Christians.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Latter Day American

Thanks.

@Anonymous

"For instance, this one neglects to mention that the only reason there are Christians (and Alawis) left in Syria at all is because Putin stepped in and more or less single-handedly saved them from the US backed ISIS and friends, who were openly salivating to slaughter them all."

That's because we're not talking about Syria, we're talking about Ukraine. Putin did support the Christian Syrians against the US/Israeli/Saudi backed ISIS but it was for reasons of national interest, not because he's some supporter of the Christians.(BTW, I supported him on this issue, but then again I'm able to think beyond simple meme dichotomies) Putin's quite happy to support the Muslims against Christians when it suits him, just ask the Christian Georgians and Armenians. for Putin,His version of Gopnik Russian nationalism comes first, not Christianity.

What I find most interesting about Putin is his ability to recast Russian Communism as something that ennobled the Russian people. The Hammer and Sickle is not banned in Russia like the Swastika is in Germany. Communism and the Russian identity is co-mingled in his revisionist version of Russian history. And you guys from "the right" are cheering him on. This would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious, no wonder the Left wins all the time.

You are its enabler.

Seriously, this blog really isn't for you. Reality is far more complicated than simple dichotomies. I fully understand the faults of the Ukrainian government but it's not trying to pass itself off as some bastion of Christianity. What depresses me is seeing that in the battle against Globohomo many Christians are quite happy to turn a blind eye to murder, deceit and historical revisionism--in some instances actively embracing it--not realising in doing so they've just enabled another version of evil.

Sean said...

You say, "Reality is far more complicated than simple dichotomies." Then you talk about the evil of "The Eternal Russia."

"What depresses me is seeing that in the battle against Globohomo many Christians are quite happy to turn a blind eye to murder, deceit and historical revisionism--in some instances actively embracing it--not realising in doing so they've just enabled another version of evil."

What is actually happening is that we are able to see beyond simple dichotomies. Russia is by no means perfect, but right now, it looks like it is being used to beat back the forces of evil that have enslaved Western governments.

The Old Testament is full of examples of God using different nations to punish others. A clear look at history reveals that this process is still happening in some way, and though it's often beyond our ability to grasp the big picture, if possible, it is better to choose the correct side. In my opinion, globohomo is currently the greatest evil. That doesn't mean the rest are good.

I've read you for several years, really enjoyed the earlier Game discussions, but you are in danger of turning into the NRO of neoreaction here.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Sean

Russia is by no means perfect, but right now, it looks like it is being used to beat back the forces of evil that have enslaved Western governments.

What I don't get is why isn't the Hungarian or Polish resistance against globohomo ever taken as the right course to take.

I'm really interested in your response to this. Why are these countries never taken as examples or roads for the West to follow? Why Russia?

What many "right wing" Christians cheering on don't understand is just how hostile Russian Orthodoxy is to the West. And by West, I don't mean globohomo but I mean the traditional West. Russian Orthodoxy regards the pre-60's West as hostile to it. You're supporting an ideology which repudiates yours.

This is a very good article which I would urge you to read:

https://publicorthodoxy.org/2022/04/07/heresies-history-and-russian-orthodoxy-otherwise/

The Nazi's also hated the globohomo degeneracy of Weimar, but no Christian in his right mind would think that they were doing God's work. Nazi soldiers had "Got Mit Uns" inscribed on their belt buckles, Putins Soliders are wearing St George Ribbons. You don't fight one degeneracy with another. Ebola is not cured by Cancer.

Tristram said...

Good series of posts. It really is funny to see how much of the 'pro-West', 'nationalist', or 'integralist' right has flipped out over a European nation defending itself against an invasion from the East, especially when the defender is about twice as practicing Christian as the invader.

Anglo-Welsh said...

(posting as Anglo Welsh)

"What many "right wing" Christians cheering on don't understand is just how hostile Russian Orthodoxy is to the West. And by West, I don't mean globohomo but I mean the traditional West. Russian Orthodoxy regards the pre-60's West as hostile to it. You're supporting an ideology which repudiates yours."

Because the West is emphatically worth hating. You labour under the delusion that there is still something of Belloc or Chesterton in the thing called the 'West'. There isn't. Our current 'West' is a vile changeling that unites the ethics of Sodom with the missionary impulse that it inherited from the Christianity it now scorns. Driven by these odious furies, our pseudo-civilisation is therefore bent on imposing our apostasy, degeneracy and hatred of God upon the rest of the world. THAT is the vital fact. The rest of the world is kicking back against the filth we are resolved to shove down their throats.

As for the hostility of Russian Orthodoxy to the West, do you know anything of Russian / Orthodox history? If you do, you will surely know that this has some justice. You will surely know that Western powers (Teutonic Knights, Poland-Lithuania, Sweden, Napoleon, Hitler) have attacked Russia far more often than the Russians have attacked them. You will also know of the attempts by Catholic powers to stamp out Orthodoxy, and I don't just mean the Fourth Crusade but the much more recent outrages of the Ustasha, aided by the Nazis, against Orthodox Serbs. If Russians see NATO as the vehicle for an apostate West's ambitions and if they object to its being pushed up to their borders, I don't blame them. It seems you don't even to acknowledge any of this.

Again, you seem to believe there is an alternative Christian 'West' that we can choose over and against globohomo. That possibility ended in 1939. The West is now nothing but the American gay empire, hence the overt hostility in Washington and London towards Polish and Hungarian governments that are only weakly conservative by historical standards. That is the essence of the beast; it's the rainbow flag or death with these freaks. That is what happens to those who renounce or deny the truth; they are given over to a diseased mind. The question is whether we will rally behind out of some ludicrously misplaced sense of loyalty.

Sean said...

I support the Hungarian and Polish efforts to stand against the Global American Empire like I support the Russian and Chinese efforts.

All of these nations have their faults of course, some of them major.

But they are not flying a pro-sodomy flag over their embassies throughout the world.

Unfortunately, the Right has no choice but to be nuanced in our support, and what that currently means is recognizing as Christians that the embrace of sodomy leads to the embrace of pedophilia which leads to children being so damaged as to lead to the damnation of their souls. Regardless of your opinion of Russia, the Global American Empire is worse, in my opinion, than what you call Russian murder, because it is guilty of what Jesus talks about when He says it would be better for a millstone...

And a whole government and arguably empire has devoted itself to this.

Once the pro-sodomy faction is removed from power in Western governments, I would be delighted to consider in what ways Russia could repent on a national basis, but at this point, they are, in my opinion, doing God's work.

I will read your linked article.

Anonymous said...

Excellent commentary. Much better and nuanced than whatever globohomo stuff the host posts. By his ivermectin comment, he relished and still likes the gay, medical and fascist tyranny of Victoria and Austrailia which is just an outpost of dc and London. If those who are loyal to that evil wish to fight and die in the Donbass, so be it. Maybe we will be rid of both of them.

The Social Pathologist said...

Tristam

It really is funny to see how much of the 'pro-West', 'nationalist', or 'integralist' right has flipped out over a European nation defending itself against an invasion from the East,

It's like a replay of Action Francaise in the 30's.

Anglo-Welsh

I don't blame them. It seems you don't even to acknowledge any of this.

Their fear of Nato is prole feed for the gullible. I don't listen to what they say, I watch what they do. Russian Television--controlled by the State--is now quite open about "taking back" the Baltic republics and bits of Poland. Hardly the language of defense. Putin is quite open about the fact that the current war of "defense" is about bringing back apostate Russians--i.e. Ukrainians--into the fold. The idea of NATO attacking Russia is absurd. Germany had practically disarmed itself.

Again, you seem to believe there is an alternative Christian 'West' that we can choose over and against globohomo.

Yes. We have to go back to the faith. Politics will not sort this out.

@Sean

support the Hungarian and Polish efforts to stand against the Global American Empire like I support the Russian and Chinese effor

Well the Polish and Hungarian are against (to varying degrees) the Russians. So you've got a problem.

I'd really encourage you--and others--to read that link. Russia is not the friend of sound Western Christianity.


Anonymous said...

Yeah, the uk and the other scumbag commonwealth dictatorial, monarchist nations have always been about protecting Christianity. Or maybe the hatred of the Russians precedes the ussr and extends to that time that the uk joined the oh so Christian ottomans to kill Russians in the 1850s. At least the US had some semblance of sense to kick the monarchists out. If only they had enough strength to kick em off north america.

Anonymous said...

Posting as Anglo-Welsh

I understand; you're a partisan, convinced that the West is God's chosen instrument, despite all the evidence that we are now his enemy. Other civilisations, by virtue of being different, should not be understood on their own terms; they are enemies for resisting our obviously benign tutelage.

As such, you insist that NATO is purely defensive, and that fear of its expansion is irrational. This is despite NATO's attack on Serbia, even though the Serbs never attacked a NATO member. This is despite the Afghan war being a 20-year NATO operation, even though Afghanistan is 1000s of miles from NATO territory. This is also despite the refusal to let in Russia as a member in the 1990s, even though every other Warsaw Pact country was admitted at the same time. I'd ask you how the Russians could possibly view the last one as anything but a direct challenge to them. Yet what would be the point? You are a Russophobe who insists 'Eternal Russia' must always be an enemy, no matter the circumstances. As for Germany's impotence, NATO is a tool of America, not Deutschland; Uncle Sam has long since declared himself to be the light to lighten the gentiles.

With regard to Ukraine, I must restate the facts you don't want to face. It’s the only country in the world where freaks who wear swastikas and SS runes are a powerful force in the political elite and the military. They hate Russia, and, if Ukraine ever entered NATO, they’d like nothing more than a shooting incident that would drag in the whole Western alliance. Coupled with that is Zelensky's insane utterance before the invasion that Ukraine should get nukes. This would put Russia in the same position as the US when Khrushchev sent the missiles to Cuba. QED? You can brush off this as paranoia if you want, but that only proves the size of the blinkers you are wearing. Being sanguine about a failed state with nukes and lots of Nazis is not a line I’d expect from this blog.

"I don't listen to what they say, I watch what they do." Then you immediately talk about the things they say. Well, governments say many things you should not believe. Your government and mine both lie compulsively. When the Russians march into Warsaw and Vilnius, I may believe they want to restore the borders of 1914. Until then, I see this just as a campaign to neutralise the Ukrainian military, nothing more. I can only restate what history shows: the West has attacked Russia and the wider Orthodox world far more often than the other way around, another thing you studiously ignore.

"I'd really encourage you--and others--to read that link. Russia is not the friend of sound Western Christianity." Sorry for the block capitals, but THERE IS NO SOUND WESTERN CHRISTIANITY ANY MORE! Are you mad? How much more evidence do you need for the penny to drop? The rainbow, the sign of God's covenant with the cosmos, has become an icon for sodomy. Our rulers are obsessed with sexually corrupting those children who aren't aborted. That's why 9 year olds are being taught about oral sex and how to question their gender. Worst of all, the Western Church, now nothing but a gay zombie, either says nothing or applaudes this filth with an idiotic grin. Denouncing Putin as a way to bring the West back to its Christian roots is like putting the rotting cadaver of Harvey Milk on the back of a horse, thinking it’s El Cid. Not gonna work.

Even when the West was ‘soundly Christian’, that never made us the Kingdom of God, with power to dictate terms to everyone else. The cause of Christ has crossed paths with the West without being synonymous with it; if we are intent on being his enemy, then we deserve to be destroyed. I hope the West survives in some fashion because it has been a worthy part of God’s good creation. However, this will only happen if the West’s present incarnation has been smashed and if those who survive learn to shed our compulsion to remake the world in our image, not God’s.

Sean said...

Alright, I've read the linked article. I'll have some comments on it, but first of all, within the last few years I distinctly remember you posting about how the spiritual renewal is going to have to come from the laity, because the clergy/church leadership has blamed all the faults of the church on the laity, instead of doing what they should.

Then you link to Public Orthodoxy, a website purportedly devoted to Orthodox Church issues, except than when you begin clicking around, it's easy to discover that it is actually from Fordham University, a Jesuit school on New York.

I was already read a couple articles on there when hostilities first broke out, as it turns out, but I hadn't made the Jesuit connection at that time.

That website is essentially trying to be to Orthodoxy what The Gospel Coalition or the ERLC is to American Christianity. They have a very obvious slant right from the beginning.

This is not a refutation of the article, but it is always good to consider the source in The Current Year (see: CNN and all mainstream news).

The Social Pathologist said...

@Anon


I understand; you're a partisan, convinced that the West is God's chosen instrument,


You've not been reading this blog much, have you. The West is in serious trouble, it has abandoned it's Christian heritage and large sections of it have actively embraced the globohomo. The issue is how to reverse this trend and not to embrace a fatal solution. The ideology of Putinism with regard to Russian Orthodoxy is the same as the ideology of Action Francaise with regard to Catholicism. Both ideologies subordinated the religion to the State. Both ideologies end up corrupting their cause. There's plenty of Russian Orthodox bloggers who are highly critical of the current state of their church.

Your government and mine both lie compulsively. When the Russians march into Warsaw and Vilnius, I may believe they want to restore the borders of 1914

So we have to wait till after the fact to take these claims seriously? By that "logic" Russia has no cause to attack Ukraine because it hasn't crossed into Russia yet. Oh wait, Ukraine is really Russia so Russia's not attacking anyone, is that it?

the West has attacked Russia and the wider Orthodox world far more often than the other way around, another thing you studiously ignore.

This is about Ukraine and the plausibility of a threat to Russia, not about the relationship between Orthodoxy and the West. BTW many eastern Orthodox Churches have criticised Russia for its actions, including many within the Russian Orthodox Church. The Russians have been pretty good at attacking other Orthodox communities. Hello Georgia.

You are a Russophobe who insists 'Eternal Russia' must always be an enemy, no matter the circumstances

It's nuanced. There's a world of difference between Putins Russia and Puskin's. In fact, a gulf separates the two that cannot be bridged. Pushkin's I can make peace with, Putin's I can't. The great tragedy of this war is not that Putin has pushed his country further towards Asia, not it a geopolitical sense but in a cultural one. This has been a Russian own goal. The smart Russians realise that Putin's actions have been a disaster for Russia, not to mention Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8hC-b4tCT0

As for AZOV they're Nazi LARPER's fighting for a Jewsih president. AZOV has a significant Jewish involvement so they don't really qualify as NAZI's (That's if you want to have an intellectually consistent definition of Nazism. ) By the way, Check out the self portrait of the leader of the Wagner group fighting for the Russians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin#/media/File:Dmitry_Utkin.jpg

@Sean

When I link to articles I try to find the ones which are succinctly and accurately explain my position. If it comes from a Protestant/Catholic/Left/Agnostic source I really don't care. I'm interested in the truth of their claims.

The author may have his article on a Fordham website, but he works at Indiana University (secular) and is a scholar in Russian Orthodoxy and Slavic Studies.







Anonymous said...

No peace. Good to know coming from a commonwealth subordinate. The last two years show there is no hope for the totalitarian fascism embedded in the evil commonwealth. Hope the citizens in their unyielding conformity and compliance volunteer for the crusade. May they live as long as it takes to enter ukraine. Maybe blue state Americans can join em under the rainbow flag.

Sean said...

"This is about Ukraine and the plausibility of a threat to Russia, not about the relationship between Orthodoxy and the West."

Then you talk about how Russian Orthodoxy hates the West. Your extreme partisanship on this issue has taken away your ability to argue consistently. That article was about Russian Orthodoxy and its hatred of the West. If you are going to argue like David French you need to get a lot better at it.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Sean

Then you talk about how Russian Orthodoxy hates the West.


There's more than one Orthodoxy Sean. Georgian, Greek, Bulgarian, etc.


https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/orthodox-response-putin-invasion

As for Russian Orthodoxy, it regarded the West as hostile well before Globohomo.

Anonymous said...

Where do you find these sources? Another pro-sodomy article on the first page. Gotta love commonweal, pretty much commonwealth reasoning. Let the he/him/xhey go fight and die. No difference between the hysterical anti-freedom commonwealth and the Russia/China alliance you despise.

Sean said...

"Although expressed in various ways and with different inflections, anti-Western and nationalistic worldviews have long shaped Russian Orthodox thought. This is not to say that Russian Orthodoxy is inherently anti-Western and nationalistic, or that other currents of thinking do not exist in the Russian Church."

"What I can say is that this way of thinking, this way of understanding Russia and the West, emanates from a deeply ingrained current in the intellectual history of the Russian Church, a current which cannot be excised from Russian Orthodox thought because it is a key component of Russian Orthodox thought. Instead, the task is to bring about a Russian Orthodoxy otherwise, that is, to draw upon and cultivate alternative, but already existing, visions, imaginations, and discourses in the Russian Church, so that they, too, are Russian Orthodox thought. This is the hard, practical, necessary work which confronts those who oppose both the war in Ukraine and the current leadership in the Moscow Patriarchate. This is what is possible, because it already is Russian Orthodoxy."

The article is laying out the plan to change Russian Orthodoxy, to heal the Russian Orthodox world as it were, so that it is no longer hostile to Western influence.

Your assumption is that Western influence is generally a good. That is not always the case.

Check your assumptions here if you are able. I understood that anti Russia sentiment is common among Boomers, having been raised during the cold war, and maybe it is not possible for you to move beyond the influences from your formative years, but for the sake of your own journey on this blog and embrace of the truth, you've got to break out of boomer mode here.

Anglo-Welsh said...

(posting as Anglo Welsh)

Spare me the gushing about Pushkin. This is geopolitics, not poetry. In your world, Ukraine is this helpless, innocent, ickle-lickle fairyland that the Russians attacked because Putin is evil and his people are mainly stupid thugs. In the real world, Ukraine has been a western satrapy since the CIA helped overthrow Yanukovych in 2014. The next step, as everyone knew, was to bring it into NATO de facto if not de jure. In your world of reflexive Russophobia, Russia can never have valid objections to this. In the real world, NATO is patently a vehicle for Western self-aggrandisement, putting Russia in the same position as Khrushchev put Kennedy in 1962; the Monroe Doctrine is apparently fine for me but not for thee. The utter insanity of this megalomania was set out years ago by real thinkers and scholars like George Kennan, Stephen Cohen and James Mearsheimer, but it’s all lost on you.

In the foolish hope you might learn something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

"As for Russian Orthodoxy, it regarded the West as hostile well before Globohomo." That's precisely because it IS hostile. When will the penny drop? How often and how slowly does the bloody obvious have to be repeated to you? Do you think the Russians forget the number of times the West has attacked them: everyone from the Teutonic Knights to Palmerston to Adolf? Nations have memories, you know. Consistently, the West has declared itself the enemy of Russia and acted as such, but being a Western partisan means never seeing things from someone else’s point of view, or even conceding that their view can be valid. If others resist our encroachment, it must be because they are malignant.

“This is about Ukraine and the plausibility of a threat to Russia, not about the relationship between Orthodoxy and the West.” Sophistry. First, the threat is plausible. Second, the West’s elites despise Orthodoxy because it has not yet been turned into a queer changeling, unlike Catholicism and Protestantism. In turn, they despise Russia precisely because it is the strongest Orthodox country and has reverted to something like its traditional form since 1991. Russia’s relationship with other Orthodox peoples is inconsistent and vexed, but that contrasts quite well with the consistent apostacy of a West that shrieks its hatred for God from the rooftops and that would compel everyone else to follow suit. Only someone wearing massive ideological blinders could overlook this.

“As for AZOV they're Nazi LARPER's fighting for a Jewish president.” I don’t care if they are larping; they are still the freaks who have who have been shelling civilians in the Donbas since 2014 in the hope that this would provoke a war. You are apparently content for these scum to gain the protection of NATO membership which they would then use to incite a general calamity. Are these your brothers in arms now?

Lastly, yes, I have read this blog for years. I agree with many things you have said. However, you seem oblivious to the West’s messiah complex, its fetish for imposing its steadily more deranged incarnations upon a largely unwilling world. That wasn’t right even when the West was plausibly Christian. Now that it’s openly anti-Christian, this aggressive compulsion is simply evil, and you do yourself no favours by refusing to understand why other civilisations are fighting back against it.

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