Wednesday, October 24, 2018

People Like Us

One of the tactics deliberately used by communist guerillas is to conceal themselves among the local population. This approach has many advantages as it makes it very difficult for the enemy to distinguish friend from foe. When the inevitable reprisals are unleashed in response to the actions of the guerillas, the enemy's lack of discrimination results in many innocent bystanders being caught up in events. This hamfisted approach results in many ambivalent bystanders being forced into the guerilla camp, which is the precise intention of communists. The lack of discrimination in reprisals multiplies your enemies while decreasing your friends. 

Now the reason I bring this up is in response to a recent post by Z-Man on the subject of race and the Brett Kavanaugh hearings. Z-Man is one of smarter bloggers out there and has plenty of intelligent things to say but I feel he was completely way off  in this post.
Despite spending so much time with Kavanaugh, they appear to have misjudged how he would handle being smeared. It also reveals how petrified white men in the Democrat coalition feel right now. They just assumed Kavanaugh was as scared about this stuff as they are right now. Either way, the judge turns out to be a Boy Scout, who thinks he has a duty to defend his honor in public against these smears. His speech last week resonated with white people, who are the only demographic that still believes in fair play.
Z-Man then linked to a graphic produced by Audacious Epigone showing support for Brett Kavanaugh according to race and sex. Now, despite obvious confounding factors, I do think that support for Mr Kavanaugh is a good proxy metric for belief in fair play.


Looking at the graphic, the first thing that comes to mind is that there are a hell of a lot of White people who don't support fair play. The notion that whiteness and fair play are inherent is repudiated by Z-Man's own data. Indeed, the support levels between White women and Hispanic men were very similar.  If we translate the Black support figures in to real world numbers, there are about four and half million Black men in the U.S. who support fair play. That's a lot of allies, people you really don't want to alienate.

What the data also shows that nearly 40% of White men and 50% of White women don't support fair play. Z-Man's own choice of data repudiates the simplistic NPC like notion that {White=Good: Not(White)=Bad} Real life, unlike simplistic conceptual reductions is far more complex. The problem with Genetic Calvinists is that they assert that those people working against me are my allies by virtue of the colour of their skin, while the 24% of Black men who support Kavanaugh are my enemies.  People who assert this sort of crap are just dumb, not only dumb but counterproductive. It's one of the huge problems of racial supremacist ideologies. It's also one of the reasons why white racial consciousness goes nowhere.  People who believe in fair play recognise that this is unjust and want to have nothing to do with it, no matter what the race.

Of course, in asserting this position, I immediate exposed to the charge that I'm a civic-nationalist, as if color blind civic-nationalism or straight out racism were the only two political options out there. There are other alternatives, the problem is that you have to THINK about them. It may just be that a dignified soft segregation is possible and may be the best possible outcome for all parties concerned. But it's hard to advocate that position when vice is overlooked because you're White and imputed because you're Black. The Dissident Right is about reality calibration, not make-believe and you really can't say that you're an advocate for fair play if you want to throw under the bus other people who believe in fair play but who have a different skin colour.

One of the great "what ifs" in Military history is what if Hitler had invaded Ukraine as a liberator instead of an exterminator. The Germans were welcomed with open arms in the Ukraine after the experience of Soviet Terror and many Ukranians would have gladly joined the fight against communism. Many Russians would have probably done the same thing. Instead, the Nazi's stupid racial ideology, ensured their eventual defeat. It seems like some people never learn.

12 comments:

Hoyos said...

Plus look at the male/female numbers.

24% of black men supporting a republican nominee? That is a serious sea change.

Turns out genetic calvinism doesn't fully explain the world. Almost like people have free will or somethin'.

But no, that would be giving in.

MK said...

First: Kav SCOTUS is not a solid proxy for fair play. The reason is that a good many people of all races are opposed to Kav due to his voting record. Just like I would have been opposed in a survey to every single Democratic SCOTUS candidate. Every one. They support killing the unborn. And many libs feel the same in the opposite way. So I'm very surprised the numbers are so high to begin with.

Second: this graph is biased by the fact that whites vote Republican and all minorities vote democrat (on ave). It's a race war. We will know that war is balancing when Asians and some Hispanics start to vote R out of fear. The important part that shows fairness is how white women still support Kav, but it's a weak association until we break out the politics.

MK said...

24% of black men supporting a republican nominee? That is a serious sea change.

Yep. If women keep voting lib and acting as they do in modernity sex may soon outweigh race. Black males have much to fear from feminism.

The Social Pathologist said...

@ Hoyos

Turns out genetic calvinism doesn't fully explain the world. Almost like people have free will or somethin'

Genetics matter but they aren't the be all and end all.

@MK

First: Kav SCOTUS is not a solid proxy for fair play.

I'm playing by Z-man's rules here. As said in the post, there are problems with the metric but I do think it's a pretty good "rule of thumb."

Second: this graph is biased by the fact that whites vote Republican and all minorities vote democrat (on ave). It's a race war.

"Average" is a cognitive simplification in this instance. There are large minorities in all the races who are on our side. We need to build allies, not make more enemies. Furthermore, Justice demands that we are just to all, especially to those who are just.

As I see the current state of play, the problem for the right is it seems to think that the only options open to it are.

1) Leftism.
2) Kumbayah Civic Nationalism.
3) Rabid racism.

There are other options the problem is that the Right needs to engage its brain which it doesn't seem to want to do.

The whole idea of a Race war is premised on the notion of Genetic Calvinism. If you buy into that....well you're not really Christian are you?


Asians and some Hispanics start to vote R out of fear.

Maybe they're not voting out of fear, maybe they're good people of character.




Ingemar said...

Slumlord,

Regarding the "options" that the Right think are the only ones available, I wholeheartedly agree. Unfortunately it seems that many are adopting rabid racism unthinkingly because... I don't know, perhaps it is a means of reclaiming some lost sense of masculinity. In some of the more rabid portions of the Alt Right, a foreign born naturalized citizen who is nonwhite, yet is a devout Christian who loves and is loyal to America and her system of government is no different than someone of the same ethnic background because math.

Although these nonwhites are few in number, I don't see the benefit in alienating them (and even to the extent of forming ranks with their co-ethnics in the ballot box). The Alt-Right strategy of growing their ranks through some modern form of Lebensborn doesn't seem to be working, especially since they aren't treating their own women well--

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/richard-spencer-wife-nina-koupriianova_us_5bd06d29e4b055bc9486edc6

INB4 "It's Huffington Post therefore Fake News"
INB4 "Spencer is Controlled Opposition"

MK said...

Maybe they're not voting out of fear, maybe they're good people of character.

You are conflating "race war" with the color of one's skin. That's not true.

We can prove this with the Irish example. Celts are pretty close by genetics to Northern Europeans. But they acted in exactly the same way blacks do today: they ganged up and voted in lockstep. Why is obvious: they are a 1/2 SD lower in IQ and gotta defend themselves somehow. They can't compete head-to-head in a market economy.

Gangs are what you must do when you lack power on an individual basis. Our skin is our uniform in the lower-IQ set, but it is not the basis of the war itself. The war exists to distribute power in a democracy. The English knew the USA was doomed from the start for this reason. Democracy only works if people are educated, smart, and moral. That ain't minorities. Sorry but the facts are clear.

Regarding Asians, they have the IQ but not the history of fairness. Regarding Hispanics, they have the fairness but not the IQ. So a gray area. The Irish have just enough of both.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Ingemar

I don't know, perhaps it is a means of reclaiming some lost sense of masculinity

Perhaps....but I also think that there is a strong undercurrent of racism/homophily in everyone: it's part of human nature. I think that the Alt-Right takes this natural intuition and trys to rationally justify it by claiming the ingroup preference is due to some kind of preferred group superiority.

It's late here tonight and I'll get back to your other points later.


The Social Pathologist said...

Although these nonwhites are few in number, I don't see the benefit in alienating them (and even to the extent of forming ranks with their co-ethnics in the ballot box)

Neither do I. Not only that, it's a matter of justice to these individuals. There are leaders in these groups who see that the current Left wing agenda is toxic but by not supporting them--or being actively hostile to them--undercuts the formation of potential allies. It's an incredibly stupid thing.

A while ago I was reading up on the German invasion of the U.S.S.R. Many German generals though the Nazi racial policy towards the Slavs, especially the Ukrainians, was stupid. Many Ukranians had lost any sympathy to Russia following the great famine and were happy to give the Germans a hand. There was a huge potential ally that the Germans alienated because of their idiotic Genetic Calvinism.

especially since they aren't treating their own women well--


I've always thought Spencer was a plant. He's done incalculable damage to the non-Mainstream Right by trying to tie it to the Natsoc movement.

However, the charges against him levied by his wife need to be taken with a grain of salt. The Anglo legal system and with its adversarial nature encourages both parties to paint each other as black as possible.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Mk

Democracy only works if people are educated, smart, and moral. That ain't minorities. Sorry but the facts are clear.

And yet it is the "elites" that are the problem.

MK said...

SP: And yet it is the "elites" that are the problem.

Q: Do you think a republic like the USA can exist with a moral & intelligent elite leading a generally uneducated, immoral horde of voters? Like sheep and a shepherd? I'm skeptical but open-minded to this, merely because of how well the media/money controls the narrative right now. And is this your point with your comment?

Btw have you been reading Ron Unz? One of the biggest narrative breaches in my lifetime, unless I'm misreading things...interested to hear your take on it, esp. the media/Jewish angle...

11_2 said...

Not him
>I'm skeptical but open-minded to this
Regardless of whether they can or can't it is the elite who have spear headed disastrous changes in society, even on the issue of immigration intelligent power hungry individuals have spearheaded the campaigns to bring over dumb & immoral immigrants to grow and solidify their powerbase. Can you realistically argue that immigration is a bottom up revolution? It clearly is not the masses are more inclined to protect their in-group interests.

And further you might as well say that christians are unfit for democracy,1 Cor 1:26-29 makes clear that God is selecting first the dredges of society to shame and confound the world (this gels well with 'the last will be first, first will be last'). At the very least even if it were only talking about that specific time period you have dumb but moral christians who conquer Rome.

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