Wednesday, January 20, 2016

A Post Worth Mentioning.


 Permissive attitudes towards morally questionable behaviour pave the way for destruction of your culture, people, and society. 
The were several good posts written last year which I hoped to comment on. One, in particularly, was by Esoterictrad: It's the Degeneracy Stupid.  It's a well written post which pretty much aligns with this blog's philosophical position.  It also think it's one of the most important posts of the year since it succinctly illustrates the mindware contamination of NRx that has come about through Alt-Right entryism. This has been the most depressing development of 2015 but unfortunately, given the rise of the dissident Right, to be expected.
This seemingly obvious truth is in fact denied by what seems like increasingly large numbers of people who use the term ‘Alt-Right’ to describe themselves. Over the course of the last few years as the ‘Alt-Right’ has grown in popularity it has attracted more and more white men disaffected with how things are going. In such a liberal age many of these men are still largely sit within the Overton Window on many issues, it is only on a few where they have directly experienced the horrors of modernity that they branch out and explore.
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Some of those men end up going further and head towards Truth, but the vast majority are more likely to end up making a truce towards the rest of the liberal attitudes. The Reddit subreddit “The Red Pill” which is a Game/sexual strategy forum explicitly forbids discussion of morality. There is a mod post announcing people must keep their morals to themselves.
As Esoterictrad points out, there seems to be this notion that everything will be OK if you fix up an isolated act of degeneracy whilst wallowing in an ocean of it. Let me illustrate what I mean. For years I struggled to understand why fornication was wrong. Why should God be so opposed to the private act of affection between two consenting adults, especially if no harm was done by it? It's taken me years to realise my formulation of the question was based upon a failure to understand the "extrapersonal" dimension of the sexual act. Sex is not simply an act that can be isolated to two people, but its an act with much wider sociological implications. Compartmentalising it is simply a poor way of thinking about it.

Family stability is partly a function of the prevailing sexual mores.  Acceptable promiscuity facilitates family dissolution, it facilitates abortion, it facilitates the alpha harem and alpha widowhood with the subsequent negative effects of long term pair bonding. It disincentivises socially productive beta behaviour and promotes the dark triad of traits which undermine society. It moves the locus of control of sexuality towards the female instead of the male, undermining the intended sexual dynamic between sexes. Fornication, considered from a simply personal perspective, is probably not that bad, but when considered from a global one, it is a lethal poison. Getting people to grasp the global picture is very hard. Telling people to keep "your morals to yourself" keeps the focus on the local and not the global.

People seem to have a real problem grasping the "big picture" and instead focus on small issues all the will oblivious the larger problem which brings us to the Alt-Right. Esoterictrad on the subject:
The other area where people might run into the obvious lies of the left establishment is of course demographics and race. A great many people ‘wake up’ to the reality of race but never ‘wake up’ to anything else. They are essentially what should be known as the ‘Alt-Left’ – where everything is acceptable as long as it is a whites only society. Homosexuals of course have greatly appreciated this, because it means they do not have to face up to their sins. Here is a group of people willing to accept them because they shout about Niggers and Kikes just like them, but won’t actually suggest they change their behaviour.
Bingo. These people simply can't grasp the fact that a whites only society can also implode. They're so focused on "white oppression" that they miss the bigger picture. They're essentially social justice warriors for white people only. I would urge my readers to have a look a Richard Spencer's Political Theology and tell me how his "myths" differ from the "myths' of social justice warriors.  The common thread of both parties is a believe in the power of myth over truth; oppression by whites in the case of the Left SJW's and oppression by others in the case of the Right SJW's both parties are ambivalent when it comes to the matter of truth. Indeed, as Spencer so eloquently points out.
Indeed, knowing too much truth can be a problem.
The reason why the West is in such deep shit is because it doesn't realise just how bad things are.  It doesn't help that people are openly advocating closing their eyes to the facts. Commentators are worrying about the position of the deck chairs, ignoring the hole in the Titanic's side.  No one sees the bigger picture. The problem is one of faith and morals. In other words, it's the degeneracy, stupid.



15 comments:

Julian O'Dea said...

Good piece. Thanks.

nazariusrudius said...

It does us no good to throw each other under the bus, the alt right/nrx is still a fringe movement in its infancy, although various memes are getting out there. Most secular alt-right people are not hostile to Christianity and personally speaking I think Christianity will play a role in the future of our ethno states.

To the extent that we do criticize Christians, it's only to point out how innefectual the church is, and how impotent it is in the face of the powers that be. Consider that leftists are far more "diverse" in who they are, but they are more united than we are. This is because they have a unifying meme that all of them love to hate, and that is the patriarchal, traditional Christian white man. We are attacked as such, and so we must defend ourselves as such. We have to find a meme that we can get behind, and put our differences to the side.

If you have differences with others in this corner of the internet, thats fine, but shooting people who have nothing against you and your beliefs will do us no good at all.

Puzzle Privateer said...

If my journey into the dark bowels of the Alt Right is any indication then we shouldn't expect most people to flip like light switches. For me it all started with girl problems and the next thing I knew I wanted to see democracy destroyed.

Girl problems led to sex realism. Sex realism led to race realism. Race realism led to reactionary politics... for me at least.

I suspect that over time the new people in the Alt Right will slowly shift as they are exposed to more of it.

In the long run it would probably be a good starting place for the Alt Right to push Virtue Ethics. Starts with the four that emerged in classical antiquity: Wisdom, Justice, Courage & Temperance. This would stand in contrast to modern "ethics" and give people a different moral framework to work from as well as a more robust framework than just White Nationalism. Also this would be a back-door to pave the way for the other three Christian virtues.

Mark Citadel said...

It really was an excellent article. The Alt-Right is an entry point, and I think it needs to be guarded against ridiculous entryism, as I point out here

http://citadelfoundations.blogspot.com/2016/01/have-you-failed-entry-exam.html

I like a lot of people on the Alt-Right, but for crying out loud, actual 14/88 'Mention the Jews every five seconds" people need to get lost. RamZPaul had a good video on this.

esoterictrad said...

Thank you for the kind words, it was indeed something I had been mulling for sometime.

I notice you are in Australia, when I was there what struck me was how isolated you could be from the worlds problems and yet the claws of ideology were firmly entrenched.

There is a more effective border control situation, and yet the feminist rhetoric I heard on the TV, glimpsed in Newspapers, or even overheard in pubs and bars, took me aback. Without as many external pressures it seems as if the leftism can rage unchecked in many a form, and yet most of these 'alt-left' types would be pretty happy for such a state of affairs...

The Social Pathologist said...

@Esoterictrad, thanks for visiting. It was a very good piece.

Modern communications mean that even a distant country like Australia becomes "emeshed" in the rest of the world. Furthermore, many Australians are aware of their isolation and the rest of the world "out there' so there is a fair amount of traveling by the locals to other countries. Pernicious ideas, therefore are quickly imported. Still, Australians tend to be far less ideological than Americans and therefore, whilst the feminists make a lot of noise, there really isn't that much traction, at least not compared to the U.S. or U.K. There is feminism in this country, but it does not appear to be as "deep" as in the rest of the world.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Puzzle

I suspect that over time the new people in the Alt Right will slowly shift as they are exposed to more of it.

Agree.

@Mark. Identitarianism is ok, what's not ok are the Nastsocs and their crypto variants. Sometimes, given just how outrageous they are, I wonder if they're plants

@Naz
Criticism of Christianity is not as much of the issue as the embrace of modernism by its critics. Modernism always goes after the Christians.

MK said...

I understand the point of this post. I just disagree as a practical matter. I've found those crying about other people's morals are usually quick to deny all sorts of truths they don't like. This is a yawn; most people don't have the IQ nor the intellectual honesty anyway, be it on the alt-right, within religion, or wherever.

I can get generally along with deviant people, so long as they a) don't deny what is true, and b) don't have power over me. Let 'em rant. And it doesn't bother me a bit when they attack evil people who are in power. I'll hold their coat.

An analogy would be the USSR attacking Hitler in WWII. Both are equally evil, sure, but I can work with either one to help crush each other. In this way, the alt-right immorality doesn't bother me. The Left has serious, real, damaging power and is using it to destroy society right now. I say: give the alt-right degenerates all the help I can give them.

The Social Pathologist said...

@MK

I understand the point of this post. I just disagree as a practical matter. I've found those crying about other people's morals are usually quick to deny all sorts of truths they don't like

It's not about their morals it's about their metaphysics.

Both are equally evil, sure, but I can work with either one to help crush each other.

The alt-Right is the Left with "window dressing".

MK said...

SP, The alt-Right is the Left with "window dressing".

Reminds me of the Fascists vs Communists in 1920-30's Germany. People might switch from one to the other and be on different sides overnight. Anywhere but here!

I find today's AR generally trying to seek truth, just confused and/or angry.

The AL? Fundamentally evil, disordered to the core. This can be seen on issues of homosexuality, God, abortion, family, feminism. They hate God, period.

The real issue? The Left is in power. The Right is weak. If opposite I would sing different but meanwhile I'm a AR helper in the hope they balance out the evil L.

The Social Pathologist said...

Reminds me of the Fascists vs Communists in 1920-30's Germany.

Exactly, it's a replay of the past because society is still operating in "mass-man" mode. When you're not a deep thinker the alt-Right is a solution to the Left, Smart people of the 20's and 30's saw the Alt-Right as a degeneration of Western society on par with the Left, they didn't see it as a liberation seeing it more as part of the civilisational decline.

The Social Pathologist said...

Reminds me of the Fascists vs Communists in 1920-30's Germany.

Exactly, it's a replay of the past because society is still operating in "mass-man" mode. When you're not a deep thinker the alt-Right is a solution to the Left, Smart people of the 20's and 30's saw the Alt-Right as a degeneration of Western society on par with the Left, they didn't see it as a liberation seeing it more as part of the civilisational decline.

R. J. Moore II said...

I am a nihilist (in the sense of Stirner), but generally more attracted to hardline Virtu (in the Roman sense) than degeneracy and I've been into anti-Pinko libertarian anarchism and NRx stuff for as long as I have given a damn about politics. My problem with the Alt-Right is that they're vulgar - but not their swearing and trolling, which is actually pretty funny, but because so many of them are intellectually unsophisticated. I got interest in NRx precisely because I see the in(s)anity of politicizing stupid people, and that's exactly what the Alt-Right wants to do. People who lack the intellect/interest to form reasonable opinions should have no opinions, this may run contrary to human nature in mores/politics but it's still true. We'd be much better off if most people gave 0 fucks about 'social justice' or theological wankery.

lporiginalg said...

"Permissive attitudes towards morally questionable behaviour paves the way for destruction of your culture, people, and society."

I like the quote but it's fairly meaningless if you aren't going to define what you consider morally questionable. Maybe I'm reading between the lines incorrectly, this is the first post of you're I've stumbled on, but it seems like the degeneracy you're alluding to are promiscuity and homosexuality?

I like the image at the top of the post, but I think you might be fooling yourself on your position on the spectrum if you consider these puritanical views to be centrist. That's just my impression, anyway. Thanks for the read.

Desiderius said...

"No one sees the bigger picture."

Well, you do and you're not chopped liver.

I've found a reasonably strong correlation lately between the quality of reasoning/writing and capacity/willingness to accurately see the big picture. Things would be worse is those who were truly the best were also the blindest.