Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Observations on American Women.

During my trip the U.S., a person who frequently came to mind was Roosh V.  I often found his observations of America and the American sexes similar to my own.

I'd planned to do these series of posts whilst on the trip but  I'd often wonder  how to convey to Americans the difference between them and the rest of the world without appearing to be either snarky or ill informed.  I came to the conclusion that most people would impute bad motive to me and so my advice to Americans is for them to travel, something that Roosh V advocates.  Nothing beats first hand experience.

Still, I'd thought I make a couple of comments the men and women of America as they appeared to me.

Firstly, a bit about my standards. I evaluate women on two parameters, both physical beauty and that essence which we call femininity. In order for me to find a woman attractive she must possess both features. Sure, if your standard is "bangability" then your standard is different to mine and its a standard that America can cater to. On the other hand, if your standard is feminine beauty then you've got a real problem in the U.S. It case of Pamela Anderson vs Audrey Hepburn: America has lots of Pamela Andersons.

When making generalisations about a culture, what a man is concerned about is the both median and standard deviation of the societal parameter in question.  Aspergy types tend to forget this and tend to emphasise  exceptions in an attempt to disprove the rule. Still generalisations are to sociological observations what the median is to statistical measures; a valid measure. Exceptions do not render them invalid. To me at least America has a reasonable amount of "bangable" women but very few feminine ones. Compared to Europe, where a man can honestly get whiplash from some amazingly beautiful and graceful women, American women were, well....... meh. American women are comparable to Australian ones in physical beauty but are less feminine.  To quote my wife, there is a "butchiness" about them that you don't see anywhere else I have traveled.  Even in that bastion of prolification, England, there large pockets where a man could find both femininity if not beauty,  in the U.S. femininity was rare. ( Note, do not confuse feminine beauty with moral virtue). The problem was least evident in the South, but compared to global standards, U.S women are in a class of their own. Even German women appeared more feminine.  It's not that the American women weren't well mannered, it just that they weren't "girly".

I've often thought the Roissy's criticism of the over-forty-year-old's was a bit harsh, but after coming back from the U.S. I think his opinions justified. In Las Vegas, for example, nearly every stylish woman I observed who appeared over forty, was both thin and spoke with a foreign accent.  Most of the older local women looked tired and seemed to have given up on trying to be attractive. Strangely enough though, quite a few of the older women (over 60's) I met, particularly in the South, still managed to maintain a significant degree of grace and femininity. It would appear that the failure of femininity in the U.S. seems to have begun in the generation that come of age in the mid 70's.

There were some notable exceptions however.  Whilst most coloured women were just like the rest there was a small but significant portion of them who were surprisingly feminine, elegant and graceful. The best dressed black women blew the white women away in both grace and style.

35 comments:

7man said...

I have noticed a distinction between women born before 1970 and those born after 1970. It is extremely rare to find a feminine woman (in the northern States) in the first group and only rare to find one in the second group. The difference is akin to 1-in-10,000 vs. 1-in-500.

Anonymous said...

When you say Europe, do you mean all of Europe?

I can definitely seeing this being true in the Latin and Slavic areas of Europe, but when it comes to Scandinavia I'll take the United States any day of the week.

This is an important distinction because when most people want to be nasty towards America, they say that America doesn't compare to "Europe" when they really mean Stockholm.

Elizabeth said...

Much of what you say about women can be attributed to human biodiversity (HBD):

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/

Brendan said...

It's true that American women tend to be butchier but specific countries differ in this respect

I've lived in Germany for years in the past and the women there were not very feminine at all, even as compared with US women. Moscow is different , Paris is different and so on. But the urban women in Germany were not in my experience very feminine (and most of my German colleagues married non-German women as well.

ray said...

Elizabeth said...
Much of what you say about women can be attributed to human biodiversity (HBD):

lemme help Elizabeth here:

"Much of what you say about women can be attributed to Her Bitchiness Disease (HBD)

there now it's real

no, no, dont thank me

Anonymous said...

Message from Anonymous to American Women:

We, Anonymous, are American men, and we have decided to never marry an American woman. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money in the divorce courts, don't know how to cook or clean, don't want to have children, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with American women?

American women are generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.

We encourage all American men to NEVER MARRY American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.

Tens of millions of American men have had their lives completely destroyed by American women through the following crimes:

1. False rape accusations (it has been proven that up to 80 percent of rape accusations are FALSE)

2. False domestic violence (DV) charges (same as above)

3. Financial destruction of men in divorce courts through alimony and support payments (women get up to 95 percent of their ex-husband's income and savings, as well as the house, car, etc)

4. Emotional destruction of men by ex-wives who have stolen their children from them and forbidden contact

5. Divorced dads who commit suicide as a result

Not one single American woman has EVER condemned their fellow American women for committing these crimes against men. Silence means consent. Therefore, American women support and enjoy destroying men's lives and causing men to commit suicide. Apparently, American women think it is okay to be a criminal, just as long as you are a woman. Therefore, is it any surprise that a huge percent of American men no longer want anything to do with American women, other than using them for easy sex and then throwing them away?

Another reason to never marry or have children with an American woman: 60 percent of child abuse/molestation in America is done by WOMEN to children, according to US Government statistics. Therefore, the majority of child abuse/molestation in America is done by WOMEN. Also, did you know that 1 out of 4 women in America take psychiatric drugs for mental disorders? Yes, AMERICAN WOMEN ARE INSANE! Oh, and just one more interesting fact- 70 percent of criminals in America were raised by single mothers. Single mothers produce future criminals. Criminals destroy society. Thus, feminism destroys society.

Anonymous said...

When confronted with this evidence, American/western women will deny any responsibility for their own criminal actions and behaviors, and will attack the man who is presenting these facts and evidences. This is proof that American/western women are a bunch of liars, hypocrites, and criminals. They REFUSE to accept the FACT that they have destroyed tens of millions of men's lives and ruined the lives of millions of children as well. It is because American/western women have become sociopathic man-haters. Far from being "equal" to men, American/western women can't even take responsibility for their own actions, which is the trait of any normal adult. Thus, American/western women are just a bunch of spoiled little children. They are NOT equal to men. American women REFUSE to accept the truth of how evil and vile they have become. American/western women are living in their own pathetic little fantasy world, where they think they are a perfect little princess. Sorry, but you are NOT a perfect little princess. In fact, you American/western women are the most hideous, disgusting, monstrous creatures on the face of the earth.

Another thing I noticed, is that whenever you bring up the topic of western men marrying asian women in front of an American/western woman, she will make some racist and hateful comment about asian women, calling them "slaves" or "mail order brides". My question is this: If American/western women are so "independent", "confident", "strong", and "empowered" like they claim to be, why do they feel threatened by Asian women? Why are American/western women so jealous towards Asian women? The real reason is this- Asian women are 1000 times superior to American/western women, and any western man who has dated/married an Asian woman will tell you this.

Over 50 percent of American women are single, without a boyfriend or husband; so the fact is most American men no longer want to marry American women. Let these worthless American women grow old living alone with their 10 cats.

We, Anonymous, declare: NEVER MARRY AN AMERICAN OR WESTERN WOMAN!

http://boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com/

Kathy Farrelly said...

" Let these worthless American women grow old living alone with their 10 cats."

For every worthless American woman there is a worthless American man... ;)

Think about it..

If only people were not so selfish and Godless... If only..

How many people put God first in their lives??.. Not too many..

If you put God first, all else falls into place.. Man or woman..

The Social Pathologist said...

@Anon 12:42

No, Northern Europe is definitely different to Southern or Eastern Europe. God forbid that America turn into Scandinavia.

I've not travelled to Scandinavia but have met quite a few Nordics whilst in Europe and have been unimpressed. Never really warmed to them.

No, the most of the Americans I met never ever reminded me of the Scandi's. B.t.w That's meant to be a compliment. Though a lot of the left wing "churchy" Australians do.

A friend of mine who is a well seasoned traveler of the world, and who also resides most of the year in Stockholm, were recently discussing our respective U.S. experiences. He lived there for over two years. He I captured the essence of what I felt. He said;

America is the polar opposite of Italy.

Both countries have their strengths and both have their weaknesses. Italy needs some of the Puritan tradition whilst American needs some of the Italian one.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Brendan.

German women are funny. Most of them are tough as nails, but nearly all of them have this real "girly" zone, almost as if by rebellion to their culture. They can be quite romantic. Still they'll chew your balls if your not alpha and to get to that girly side you've got to be alpha.

I have a quite the "Aryan" looking relative in Germany who has not problem with women at all. He treats them like shit. Still, you'd be amazed at just how sweetly he gets treated by the babes. And I mean sweetly. It's phenomenon I've noticed amongst my German female patients as well.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Kathy

So true.

paulmurray said...

Meh. Denmark. Scandanavia. Vikings: what do you expect?

Jack said...

Soc, please reiterate the places in the US you traveled? I've not been a globe trotter for a couple of decades now, but I was at one time.

My observations of humans and our behaviors have not changed much since then. Always wanted to come to Australia, not had the opportunity as yet.

Jack says: 'Menschen sind alle gleich.' People are the same pretty much everywhere. The more densely populated areas with folks who do not share the same basic cultural values lack decency.

Come to rural and mid-west America. I think you'll find some very smart and feminine ladies who'll blow your socks off. Scotch-Irish, Germans, Italians. We got 'em all.

Jack

CB said...

Kathy,

I generally agree with you that women get the men they deserve and vice versa. That being said, I know a number of men who have swallowed the red pill due to logical arguments. And as a result have strived to become more manly.

Given that women are more emotional, how do you think it is best to get them to be more feminine?

Anonymous said...

Roosh is right on about the United States. It's a cess pool.

What's funny about Roosh is that you can tell he's very insecure about other guys banging more girls than him in the locations he's been to.

There's a guy named Deb Auchery on Roosh's site who is going through Ukrainian women like a tissue paper. And Roosh gets completely silent every tiem Deb Auchery talks about all the girls he's bagning. You can just sense Roosh feeling like sh*t that he gets beat out by other guys.

Anonymous said...

Sadly Australia is not that much different to the US in this regard.

The Social Pathologist said...

@Jack

LA, NY, Charleston, Savannah, Phoenix, Tuscon, Las Vegas.

I can't say much about "flyover" country except that a very nice (and feminine girl) from Michigan tried to hit on me. But I've met quite a few girls from the U.S. in my line of work.

No doubt that there are great women in the U.S. it's just that the average is pushed so far towards the masculine mean that femininity seems rare.

Anon@ 8:43

It's apparent that Roosh has his demons. Still he is to be admired for his ability to rise from where he started and get to where he is. So many men never even pull their finger out. He's not sitting in his mum's basement. He's gained the knowledge and the notch count but it seems to have come at a price.

Anon @10:48

Australian women have their issues, very much like the U.S. The femininity mean is nowhere near Europe but it not as far to the masculine pole as is the U.S.

Kathy Farrelly said...

anon @8.43: "Given that women are more emotional, how do you think it is best to get them to be more feminine?"

I don't think that women being more emotional has anything to do with them being feminine.

Has a lot to do with how they are brought up by their parents and If the mother sets a good example.

For instance my mother always greeted my father when he came home from work in a nice clean outfit, hair brushed and with a little make up on. In other words she took care that her appearance was pleasing to my father.

Had a nice meal on the table for him... Her focus was her husband and her family.

Never went to bars even before she was married(usually a man's domain back then)No girls nights out etc..

When feminism told women that they could have it all, they told them that they could do everything that men did . That they were entitled to do it, too!.. sighs..

They never told women that as a consequence of these selfish and foolish actions that it would indeed rob them of their femininity..

That they then would become more like the men they were competing with.

You will more than likely have seen this clip.

"Women know your limits."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

Much truth in this parody. ;)

Women were much happier and more feminine when they occuppied traditional roles.

You know, like in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant? :D

Kathy Farrelly said...

My apologies. My answer was directed (obviously) to CB..

See, I told ya there was truth in that parody.. My mind is all over the place today.. Lol..

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CB said...

Kathy,

Thanks for the hilarious link. I believe that I stated the original question unclearly. Allow me to expound.

Formerly, I was very much a beta nice guy who was afraid to offend any woman. However, after reading sites like Roissy and Athol Kay, I came to the clear realization that I needed to act like a man.

But whenever I try to convince females of their need to be feminine I usually get nowhere. Perhaps my approach needs work. I think Athol would argue that a woman will naturally fall into that role as the man takes charge. But for me as a single guy looking for a future wife, how do I know that will work? (And of course I have tried to find a feminine woman to begin with, but they are truly rare.)

I would appreciate any thoughts you may have.

Kathy Farrelly said...

You seem like a really nice genuine guy CB.

I think above all, don't try and change who YOU are.. You WILL find a girl who will fall in love with you for who you are.

Already, I can tell from your writing that you are sincere, decent, caring, a good hearted man with a lot of love to give.. :D

Women are not really that complicated. What you need to do is present with a confident frame. Be firm, and never let her treat you like a doormat. Be assertive. This can be done without resorting to caddish behaviour advocated by the PUA crowd.

Negging and put downs never worked on me.. (light hearted teasing is not the same thing) And if it is marriage you seek with a good woman, those kinds of behaviours will just not work in the long run.

Personally I believe too much has been made of the "Alpha" side when there should be a balance of both Alpha and Beta.

Now the trick is to seem confident without coming across as cocky and overbearing..

Women do like a strong man.. A sense of humour also goes a long way, too.

Most women are naturally submissive(to the right man) whether they realize it or not.No amount of gender constructionism or societal ideology changes that. It is something innate..

When you present with a strong and manly frame she in turn will respond in a feminine way. This IS how it works. Yin and Yang :)

Sadly these days, feminism has tried to suppress women's natural and instinctive submissive urges, whilst trying to browbeat men into submissiveness, instead... sigh..

I think the real essence of the feminine woman is like this Elizabeth Barret Browning poem.


How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of being and ideal grace.
I love thee to the level of every day's
Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light.
I love thee freely, as men strive for right.
I love thee purely, as they turn from praise.
I love thee with the passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith.
I love thee with a love I seemed to lose
With my lost saints. I love thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life; and, if God choose,
I shall but love thee better after death.

Good luck CB .. I am sure that you won't need it, though. ;)

Kathy Farrelly said...

CB, Here is a good comment from Dorian Gray that I just read over at In Male Fide. He gives a really good explanation about nice guys getting the feminine girls.

"I’ve often wondered about that whole acting versus being yourself thing, too. Too many guys seem to think that changing everything about yourself is the key to getting girls. But even if that tactic works, you’re pretending to be someone else! Meaning you can never let your guard down, you feel constant anguish that you’ll be discovered as a fraud, etc.

This is not to say, as you note, that being a pushover, if that’s what you think of as your deepest identity, is a good strategy to pursue. But when you think about it, that’s not what you really want, in your heart of hearts, to be doing anyway. As a former pushover myself, I noticed that every time I would allow myself to be used by anyone–girl or guy–I felt like shit. There was always this voice in the back of my head saying, “This isn’t me! Let the real me out!”

So being a pushover isn’t your true self, no matter what the built-in defense mechanism to prevent you from killing yourself tells you. I know this is something people have brought up before, but I’m truly convinced, if my own beta to (lower) alpha transformation is any indication, that virtually all men, assuming they’re okay hormonally, have a dominant innate self. It’s just been buried under layers of social conditioning, shame, and delusion."

Once those are wiped away, though, which is to say once one’s genes are allowed to take over, the true self takes flight. Most men are like Joyce’s Stephen Daedelus: there’s something potent there at the core; one just needs to slog through all the barriers to gain entry, as it were, to oneself–family, country, religion, guilt, insecurity, all the things imposed from without that really have nothing to do with the essential man.

If you let this true self flourish, you are stable, calm, collected–in short, you have a real center, which is all women want anyway. Women don’t have a center; they’re adrift, like a satellite. All they want is a gravitational center to give them the stability their chaotic psychology can’t provide. The biggest misconception, not only with game but with the male population overall, is that women like assholes. They don’t. Women like confident guys. That’s it.

But most guys fall into one of two categories: they’re either nice pushovers or confident assholes. Faced with this choice, women invariably choose the asshole, not because they want the asshole but because they want confidence. Given a third option, the nice confident guy, the quality (i.e., minimal daddy issues) girls choose it every time. But most guys notice the asshole, not the confidence; they miss the forest for the trees.

When it comes right down to it, the hottest, most feminine girls go for the nice, polite, but extremely confident guys. The assholes get hot girls as well, don’t get me wrong; they just tend to be the crazy and insecure ones, the ones you want to have a sadomasochistic relationship with, not the ones you want to marry. Granted, marrying *any* girl is probably a losing proposition nowadays, but at least in the abstract, from what I’ve observed, the best of the best, the Malin Akerman types, go for nice guys. Not pushover nice guys, but confident nice guys.

Confidence, simply put, is everything.

Anonymous said...

American (United States) Radio talks show host Tom Leykis has given up along time ago dating American women who are born in the USA and act like Americans. The women he as stuck that are born in another country (outside the USA) and came to the United States at any age. He also stuck to American women (born in the United States) who have parents/grand parents who came from another country. They are old-fashioned subscribe to culture and costumes of the country where there parents/grand parents are from. American women do not like the competition they get from other countries with increased immigration to the United States.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

American men suck, too. They'll try to bang you on the first date, and try to manipulate you and make you insecure if you resist. They're too afraid to be men and ask you out on a date; instead they wait till their drunk at home and try to booty call you.

Disgusting.

Anonymous said...

Plus, they wear tight jeans and complain when they have to work too hard.

America is a crazy place where women are expected to bring home the bacon, do the asking, and also been goddesses in bed. How I miss European gentlemen!

Anonymous said...

How old are you, Kathy Farrelly?
Found your posts breath taking.
From a very feminine European woman who lives in the real world.

Nicole Morris said...

My apologies. My answer was directed (obviously) to CB.. See, I told ya there was truth in that parody.. My mind is all over the place today.. Lol..

Anonymous said...

western women have sacrificed their femininity on the altar of feminism, plain and simple. I can think of nothing less feminine than a feminist woman. What a contradiction. I could quite literalyl write a book on my observations, but let me put it simply; equality exists NOWHERE in nature. The only way a woman can be equal with a man is if she IS a man, which means she is no longer a woman. We have a name for men that like other men, we call them homosexuals. Instead of women being equal to men, we instead have a parody of life, we have men with tits and no penis. Penis-envy doesn't quite sum it up. To be certain, men cannot be equal with women either. They would not therafter be men. We compliment one another, that is where it needs to start and end. But women are never satisfied, that is the problem, it has nothing to do with men. If the sun exploded tommorow, women would spend our last remaining moments on the earth berating men about how it is "all their fault". Feminists are basically out of control children. Imagine you have a child. Your child screams and rants and talks over you and make hypocritical arguments and even employes violence until they get their way. That is what a feminist female is today. A whiny, never-satisfied child, tramping their feet and breaking things, including men, until they get their way. Anyone that tried to rationalize the feminist mindset is a moron, plain and simple and any man that claims he is a 'feminist' is not a man and should simply cut his balls and cock off, stuff a bra and get himself some nice heels and a few skirts and blouses. Feminism is the coup de gracé destroying the west incrementally and humans will never recover, we are headed for world war three because of it and there will not be a world war four. When the war breaks out, I think the first people to be uniformed, armed and sent to the various fronts should be women, regardless of their age, then the ladies can have a taste of equality. We men will stay in the rear with the gear as women do during wartime, but if and when the few surviving women return, they can be assured that we men will patch them up and feed them, instead of surreptitiously pulling the carpet out from under their feet as women have been doing for a century now since the first world war. Women will suffer the most in the next world war and so they should. Women cannot do what men do, despite their best efforts to emasculate men, men still design and build 99% of all consumer good while women consume more than 85% of all goods produced and I have yet to encounter a woman on a construction site as other than a flagger or desk-sitting paper shuffler. Many of those jobs get paid equal or more than the men that bust their asses to actually build the structure. That isn't equality, it is gross imbalance.

Anonymous said...

I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

I do agree that American women have become less feminine when it comes to personal traits and appearances than any other women in the world due to the fact they have a very strong feminist movement as well as media influnce in America. I think there are more Kardashian women, Britney Spears, and Sex and the City wannabes in America though those traits has been exported to other western nations such as the UK and here in Canada.

BTW Pamela Anderson is Canadian, not American.

Anonymous said...

People say the exact same thing about the men in America. Not attractive and very feminine compared to the average attractive masculine european, latin, italian or french male. It's so bad that I hear some complain about moving out of America to find a normal sensual romantic masculine attractive male. It might have something to do with the hormones put in the food in America. Alot of steroids and estrogen added to meat and animals to mass produce bigger and faster. Its so bad that most 20 something year old females in America are either lesbian or Bisexual. Favoring females over males more.

Anonymous said...

Pamela Anderson is from Canada, but her roots are in Finland (Northern Europe).