As I've mentioned in my previous posts, I don't really like talking about the Jews since whenever the topic is raised everyone goes mental and it becomes impossible to have a serious discussion on the subject. Still, I thought I'd put this post up in reply to commentator Dystopia Max, who in the made the following comment in reply to this post.
By the way those coincidences are probably the main reason Sam Francis implicitly distrusted the neocons, much more so than 'containing the essence of liberalism', which strikes me as a lame excuse for something he could not say in polite company.Francis was never one to be politically correct and this ultimately cost his job. One of the things I like about Francis is that he devoted some serious thought to analysing the failure of conservatism drawing from a wide intellectual tradition and from schools of thought not traditionally thought of as conservative. He realised that the conservative failure had deeper roots than one of inappropriate organsiation and that in many ways the problem was one of the conservative relationship with modernity. Francis also recognised that most of the right was intellectually brain dead and that in order to escape the fatal embrace a new leadership was required which would not repeat the same mistakes of the past.
One of the Right's most serious problems has been its relationship with Judaism. There is no doubt, that as a whole, the Jewish community in the U.S. pushes Left, and therefore provides a plausible causative agent for the the cognitive-lite-Right, but Francis, unlike most of the alt-Right was not stupid and saw that the problem was much deeper.
Sam Francis had an exchange with a certain Vic Gerhard over at the Vangaurd News Network in 2003, (I'm not going to link to it since I don't endorse the site, but readers can Google it.) which I think explains his thoughts quite clearly. It think it would be pertinent to quote Vic Gerhard first.
Anti-Semitism is saying or doing anything a Jew does not like; whether the statement was true, or the act perfectly justified. That is the real de finition. How can you even pretend otherwise when Jews call someone who defends Arabs (Semites) against Jewish tyranny an 'anti-Semite'?
It's great that you are pecking around the edges of the problem. I'm just not sure what more proof you need to see that Jews are directing American foreign policy; that Culture of Critique and its mind-boggling account of facts is completely true; that to rail against blacks and hispanics without mentioning Jews is like complaining about symptoms but not the disease.
Maybe this sounds cruel and racist; and yet it is true isn't it? Personally, I've read enough of your writings, heard you speak enough times, and even talked to you on occasion, so that I am convinced you recognize the Jewish problem. It would be an immense help if you could now take off the gloves and let the Jews have it. They have it coming. They are the true enemy of Middle Americans. "Oil" is not the justification for this war but a laughably transparent Jewish hedge, nor are the Christian fundamentalists to blame; if they were not supporting Israel we would barely, as before 9/11, realize they existed.
My friends are going to jail for speaking their minds; every day another one is arrested or visited by the FBI, or raided by the Terrorism Task Force. Now is the time, name the Jew, put THEM on the defensive for once. Otherwise, Middle America is doomed; its sons' dying in Central Asia, its jobs moving out of the US, its population increasingly non-White and hostile. We need you to act now; a few months from now may be too late.
Your columns could make an immense difference at this crucial moment. We are watching history, and if the Jews triumph here there may be no stopping them, ever. Goodbye White race.
Vic GerhardTo which Francis replied;
Wilmington, N.C.
I just wrote a column on Moran in which I was fairly explicit about this matter. I have another today that is also pretty explicit about the role of neo-cons (not all Jews) in getting us into the war. What more do you want? Peter Brimelow at Vdare told me the first column probably would not be published by any newspaper in this country (we'll see; my column last year supporting what Billy Graham said to Nixon was not published by my three best outlets), and without my authority or knowledge he changed a key line that altered my meaning. You simply cannot go much further than I have already gone and expect to be published at all in anything like mainstream media, and anyway, aside from the current war, I think there are other problems besides the Jewish role in stirring up blacks and pushing immigration. Both blacks and Hispanics have now acquired their own racial consciousness and are not necessarily under Jewish control.Further on;
Well, I'm sorry I'm such a disappointment to you. The fact is that I have read the Culture of Critique, as well as the other two volumes, know MacDonald personally, and agree with much though not all of what he says. My entire body of writings over the last 20-25 years is an explanation of how I disagree and and have a somewhat different view of the world than what is frankly a monomanical obsession with an omnipotent Jew.[ED] There are reasons why neo-conservatism exists other than Jewish power, and these should be obvious to any one actually involved in politics. I was a witness to many of them. Just one, for example, is the greed and ambition and shallowness of many orthodox non-Jewish conservatives fro the "respectability" they thought Jews could give them. You and critics like you always assume that because others don't say what you demand they say, they must be afraid to say it. The fact is, as I just told you, I have just written two columns that will probably harm me more than they help me, so it is not fear on my part. Can you even imagine that maybe I don't agree with your view of the Jews, that the Jews and the Jews alone are solely responsible for everthing bad that has happened and is going on? I really don't think you can. Moreover, as I was trying to tell you indirectly, I depend on outlets like Vdrae and Rockford; if they don't publish me, I don't get published, and they would not publish me if I write what you want me to write (which I do not agree with anyway). Sobran does not get published outside of his own newsletter and maybe the Wanderer. The American Conservative won't publish him. Chronicles won't publish him. His syndicate dropped him. So don't tell me about things I know about more than you. It's fine to publish on sites like VNN., but no one -- non one --reads them or takes them seriously outside a handful of people. Sure I'd like to be rich, but do you imagine I thought I would ever get rich writing what I write? I really just don't know how to explain to people like you what the real world is like, because the truth is -- take it form someone who went through graduate school, worked in a think tank, in the US Senate, and at a nationally distrubuted newspaper for 9 years -- you and your pals do not have a fucking clue.[ED]Gerhard continues to goad and Francis replies;
I had thought that you, unlike several of the others who like to rant about my "cowardice," "treachery," "phil-Semitism," etc., had a little more sense, but apparently I was misguided. Let me try to explain once more in some detail what I am trying to tell you.What I now find most intriguing is that the alt-Reich brigade are now trying to claim Francis as their ally. If you google around on the internet, you'll see some of the sites try to represent this conversation along the lines of what Francis "really" meant. Meaning that Francis couldn't say what he wanted to say because of the Jews. I'll let you look it up. I think it would be safe to say that if Francis was still alive he'd give these sites the finger.
1. What you said in your last communication was insulting because it at least indirectly and perhaps directly questioned my integrity, accusing me of cowardice or ignorance or dishonesty or greed or ambition as the only plausible reasons I do not write what you want me to write as you want it written. I have to say that I have received many criticisms as a columnist but this -- from the professional (and usual anonymous) anti-Semites -- takes the cake. No one else presumes to tell a writer what to write or how to write, even as they insult his character and intelligence -- not religious nuts, not racial nuts, not libertarian nuts -- except maybe the Jews themselves. But leave all that aside.
2. Vdare, Rockford, etc won't publish openly anti-Semitic pieces because (a) they like most gentiles are irrationally afraid of Jewish power and (b) they also have rational concerns over Jewish power. Both have Jewish "friends" who give them money, publicity, support, etc. and they are afraid -- I believe not entirely without cause but in an exaggerated way -- of losing that. Also, like most people they would like to do something else besides attack Jews and sometimes there are Jews with whim they need to work in order th do those things. (Rockford just held a conference in the Middle East on a prospects for peace there; it wasn't my idea and I don't see the point, except that some donors (non-Jewish ) gave them money to do it.) Therefore, they are very careful about antagonizing Jewish supporters. As you may know, they were virtually destroyed in the late 1980s by neo-con defunding because of positive remarks they made about Gore Vidal and because of their opposition to immigration. Nevertheless, they have consistently published pieces critical of Zionism, including several of my recent columns on the Iraq war and Jewish neo-con- Israeli power, and of foreign entanglements, perpetual wars, etc. Chronicles also published a review of MacDonald by Paul Gottfried which I strongly disagree with but they allowed MacDonald to write a long response, more than the American Conservative allowed. I do not control either RI or Vdare and often disagree with how they are run, but essentially they do not attack the Jews because they are more interested in other problems.
2. Unless you really do believe that Jews are the causes of all problems, which you deny, you have to admit there are other problems. You ask what I disagree with in MacDonald. I can't really comment on the general evolutionary theory since I'm not an expert, but I have no problem with it. Nor do I have a problem with his characterization of Jews in general, though some people tell me it's less true of some Jewish groups (Sephardic) than others (Ashkenazic) or at some periods of history than at others. What I do not agree with Kevin on is that while he's right about the way Jews are, that doesn't mean they are always successful. They may have pushed open borders as a means of undermining what they saw as a hostile host society, but that doesn't mean their efforts were the reason we have open borders or that other groups didn't want open borders for their own reasons. I dealt with immigration partly when I was in the Senate and frankly the role of the Jews was not at all apparent, as it was in foreign policy, and many social issues. The main enemies of immigration control on the right are (1) libertarians and (2) Catholics; the same was true at the Wash. Times, and I knew Jews who were opposed to more immigration at both places.Libertarianism tends to be Jewish-led, but it exists as an independent force in its own right among gentiles. I recall in 1995 or 95 Bill Gates visited Sen. Alan Simpson to lobby him on H1-B visas; Simpson caved. Neither is Jewish and neither did what he did because of Jewish power or influence but because of business and political interests. Business interests have been the main reason we have immigrant workers pushing out American workers in meat packing, textiles, poultry processing, etc. The Jews may serve as lawyers or lobbyists for these groups but Jewish groups per se have had little to do with immigration policy in recent years.
3. I don't deny that Jews have power -- certainly in the media and cultural centers generally and in politics through funding, staffing etc. But Jews are not the ruling class in this country (at least not yet). As in many other societies they form a subelite that provides services for the ruling class (tax collecting in Poland, e.g.), but I think they have little interest in becoming the actual ruling class because they have no interest in that as long as their interests are secured.[ED]
4. Your line about standing on street corners getting attacked by Jews is frankly childish. No I didn't. I just lost my job and my career for what I wrote about race (and I can tell you Jews appear to have had something to do with that and have certainly used it against me ever since). I'll bet Kevin MacDOnald never did either. I have a clue for you: Standing on street corners and yelling anti-Semitic slogans isn't a very effective way to Challenger much of anything. Hyde Park is full of characters like that. What I have tried to do -- explicitly at the Times and later as well -- has been to make explicit and serious discussion of race respectable. That means picking your shots and not saying everything you'd like to say because you know it will simply baffle or alarm many readers, but it does mean that you can tell many, many people a lot of things they didn't know or hadn't thought about. I think I was beginning to succeed when I was fired, and that may have been the real reason I was fired. Last summer when the National Alliance had its march on the Israeli Embassy I asked a friend who was planning to attend why and what good it would do? I told him all you will accomplish is give the Post the chance to portray all of you as a bunch of Nazi goons at a time when some opinion sectors were starting to turn on Israel. That's exactly what happened -- pictures of swastika flags, jack boots, etc. that understandably frighten and alienate most Americans and allow the Jews to say, "See, we told you what all those critics of Israel were like!"[ED] The idea that people like Linder and VNN accomplish much of anything outside of mutual masturbation is ludicrous. Frankly, I had never heard of Linder until he started attacking me and some people told me about it. With all due respect, I had never heard of your column until you told me you write one.
Finally, I have been gratified (one of the few gratifictaions I ever get in my profession) by being told by dozens of young people that I had taught them something they would not have known otherwise. No one but you and your friends have ever denounced me for being a hypocrite, a coward, a liar, a traitor, etc. I would have thought that you would have expressed some appreciation for what I have done, but the fact the you don't and can find only the most hateful things to say about me tells me all I need to know. As I told one of your colleagues recently, from now on I can only regard the whole bunch of you as my enemies and as enemies of the cause for which I am working. [ED]
Francis was also critical of Buckley, but he wasn't critical of him for purging the National review of its more lunatic elements. His main critique was that Buckley was aiming for "respectability" among the people that mattered instead of preaching the truth. Unlike the alt-Reich, Francis could do nuance and distinction.
First off, thank you very much for taking the time for the long-form response. Allow me to elaborate:
ReplyDelete3. I don't deny that Jews have power -- certainly in the media and cultural centers generally and in politics through funding, staffing etc. But Jews are not the ruling class in this country (at least not yet). As in many other societies they form a subelite that provides services for the ruling class (tax collecting in Poland, e.g.), but I think they have little interest in becoming the actual ruling class because they have no interest in that as long as their interests are secured.
They would be far less malignant if they actually had designs on being an open ruling class, as that generally implies a little more work and responsibility over feathering your own resume and fighting for the interests of your home country on the side.
The rise of the managerialist state has expanded opportunities for motivated minorities to bully their way into posts in government and university departments normally shunned by the more qualified or dedicated. Analyzing Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, and Douglas Feith as philosophical revolutionaries in the Great Evolution of American Conservatism(TM) to American Neoconservatism(TM) is probably going to be much less productive than analyzing them as mostly right-leaning Jewish underachievers who attained an outsized degree of influence by grabbing the conservative megaphone and serving as the default right-wing policy leaders during the 9/11 national crisis, where rightist feeling was at an all-time high.
The neoconservative 'movement' was essentially an inside-the-Beltway circle-jerk designed to keep occupied disaffected Jews and other people with anti-leftist sympathies that couldn't make a clean break from the left due to prior popular high-class friends, careers, or other entangling alliances. Whether it became this way by natural ideological evolutionary development or by a Commie Cabal deviously pulling strings behind the scenes (my money's on the former,) very little about it has the smell either rigor or tradition over personal interest and clique development.
Thus they have the 'essence of liberalism,' the 'essence of conservatism', the 'essence of the aging fogey,' the 'essence of the wavering Marxist', 'essence of the petit bourgeouis,' and all other sorts of airy intellectual nonstarters but easy and dependable conversation movers and column-padding.
"This dude sounds like an aging Jew trying to find a new angle now that the bottom fell out of the liberalism market," by contrast, is a very short argument that won't even pay for a full Vdare column, despite containing almost all the necessary information you need to take a sideways look at a movement from the viewpoint of "Personnel is Policy". Sadly, since just about any idiot can pick it up and use it effectively, it doesn't create anywhere NEAR enough jobs for surplus elites to survive in the managerialist superstructure.
Managerialism is a problem. Jewish organizations and individuals that have little to no personal skin in the game dominating a country's natural oligarchies are a problem. Through the magic of synergy, they can make a multi-trillion dollar problem, whereas in happier times it may have only caused a few hundred million in shortfalls.
There are, however, compelling reasons to consider the defeat of Jewish cliques as an integral battle in the war against managerialism, just as the removal and blocking of Muslims from entering America would upend one of the largest commonly held justifications for the National Security State, and thus serves libertarian ends without ever touching libertarian means.
But Jews are not the ruling class in this country (at least not yet).
ReplyDeleteHe just died too early to see it :-).
The elite have so enraged minorities against whites said minorities are now fearless in attacking Jews. There are now too many separate groups of minorities today: Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Blacks, Hispanics, Jews. They each think they are the persecuted ones. And whites are tiny minority anymore except in small locals.
Jews are 1) white, 2) rich, and 3) elite. Do they really think minorities are gonna worry about the fine points, or even grasp them, when it's tumbril time? I'm dumbstruck how unconcerned Jews are about their media. It's now a train that can't be stopped. I guess they will just flee to Israel when the dam breaks. Too bad they racially and religiously discriminate against everyone else so we can't go too...
The Jew obsession is an irreligious mans attempt to find the Devil.
ReplyDeleteWhenever you read a conspiracy theorists explanation of the world, right or left, take all the adjectives and attributes they use and run a find and replace for (Freemasons, Bilderbergers, Catholics, Jews, reptilians, White people, communists, ad infinitum) and see if they're not describing the Devil. A supernaturally intelligent malevolent force with agents everywhere scheming against all that is good.
We don't just have a God sized whole in our hearts, we have a God sized whole in our minds. We know there is something terribly wrong with the world beyond normal human failings and myopic self interest.
The alt Reich has noticed ("PC is a war on noticing!") that Jews are over represented in fields requiring high cognitive abilities and then leap,to the conclusion that Jews are running everything.
By and large no one is coordinating jack (at least not in the sense of a central Politburo handing down a party line). They just have the same worldview and naturally start walking in the same direction. The real enemies of my country are white Anglo-Saxon apostates with elite educations and maniacally bad beliefs. They coordinate unconsciously but seamlessly with other groups because they share the same worldview provided by the same source.
Jews are over represented in fields requiring high cognitive abilities and then leap to the conclusion that Jews are running everything.
ReplyDeleteNot just that. They work together. They marry each other. They run the Fed. The Universities. The Movie Studios. They marry and help each other. They collude to benefit themselves, and thus discriminate and persecute others as needed (look at Asians of equal IQ struggling to get into Ivy). This is just reality. Anyone who denies it either has an agenda or is ignorant.
To be clear, Jews are no different in tribal affinity than Blacks, Asians, Indians, whomever. Everybody except whites, who lost tribal affinity over the years. But whites will get on board real fast as they face real persecution. And as I said, Jews will probably be "shocked" when every other minority treats them the way they treat others. Gonna be a wild ride.
Thanks SP. Very illuminating.
ReplyDeleteIt's been a long time since I stopped by here. Honestly, it's hard for me to remember how I ever found you relevant.
ReplyDeleteIn just the last 18 months, so much has changed. Momentum has been created, cultural norms have shifted & the Left's iron grip on the narrative has weakened. On the Right, the motley & sundry tribes have largely dropped their doctrinal quibbles with eachother & focused on pushing the movement forward together for the moment.
Except for you. You continue to sniff disdainfully at the plebs, with their "racism", their obsession with the Jews & their failure to live up to your high ideals.
While the whole time, you become more & more isolated, and get left further & further behind. Enjoy your principled solitude, speaking out against both sides.
It must be nice to live on a safe White Island, where that behavior has no consequences. But be aware that those of us getting overrun by the Left's 3rd world shock troops don't have much time for it.
@Hosswire
ReplyDeleteI've been a reader and commenter in NeoRxn and the Alt Right, since Moldbug was a big deal. I say this to establish that I am a long time observer.
The Stormfronters didn't start this, they entered in. The Alt Right was a mishmash from the beginning and is now.
Divisions aren't disappearing, but, like other leftists, the minute they reach a critical mass they drive out all others.
The orthodox Christian community is never going to accept the Nazis. We didn't then and we're not going to now. Read Leftism Revisited and see that racial Marxism doesn't get you any farther than the regular kind. You can see the verbal traces in your own statement about plebs, the "average Joe".
Globalist universalism and neopagan nationalism are not the only two options. There is a place in the world for every ethny, and surely there are differences. The chief difference though has always been civilization, not race as such. Lily white Albanian white slavers are not to be preferred over African Benedictine monks.
Hoss, You continue to sniff disdainfully at the plebs, with their "racism", their obsession with the Jews & their failure to live up to your high ideals. While the whole time, you become more & more isolated. Enjoy your principled solitude, speaking out against both sides.
ReplyDeleteAww, relax. I call that the "Rod Dreher preen". Have no worries; reality finds "white principled liberalism" eventually. Or their kids (if they had any). Only then you learn it's all posturing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNyx1O6panU
Lily white Albanian white slavers are not to be preferred over African Benedictine monks.
ReplyDeleteThe existence and proliferation of un-genocided white savages is in fact a consequence of equalitarian thinking weakening the central civilization, not what it's protecting us against. Odinism and neopaganism did not create Albania or its culture of lawlessness. Communist(equalism) aggression and constant proximity to Islamic culture did that.
Whichever cherry-picking you see fit to do, even you can't deny the guarantee that Albanian babies raised in white countries will do far, far, better than Africans, every single time, all the time, almost without exception. And Martin Shkreli can do more for Africa than any African monk can do for America.
@Hosswire
ReplyDeleteIt's been a long time since I stopped by here. Honestly, it's hard for me to remember how I ever found you relevant.
Perhaps you thought this was an echo-chamber?
In just the last 18 months, so much has changed. Momentum has been created, cultural norms have shifted & the Left's iron grip on the narrative has weakened. On the Right, the motley & sundry tribes have largely dropped their doctrinal quibbles with eachother & focused on pushing the movement forward together for the moment.
Things have changed, but you and your ilk will snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory. That's why you need to be stopped or at least not allowed to take down those who have a decent chance of actually changing things. By the way, this is a three way fight, between the cucks, alt-Right and the what's left of the uncucked Christian Right. ( I agree that there are Christian limp-dicks). The alt-Right is just a different flavor of modernism which effectively self-destructs in the end.
Except for you. You continue to sniff disdainfully at the plebs, with their "racism", their obsession with the Jews & their failure to live up to your high ideals.
You talk the Right talk, but you walk the Left walk. The egalitarianism is strong in you. Embrace the light and accept that some people are smarter than you. The proletariat have their dignity but a cursory reading of the history of the 20th C History will show that the plebs haven't really distinguished them in solving basic societal issues.
While the whole time, you become more & more isolated, and get left further & further behind. Enjoy your principled solitude, speaking out against both sides.
I don't speak out against sides, I speak out against stupid or evil.
@Hoyos
The orthodox Christian community is never going to accept the Nazis. We didn't then and we're not going to now. Read Leftism Revisited and see that racial Marxism doesn't get you any farther than the regular kind. You can see the verbal traces in your own statement about plebs, the "average Joe".
Globalist universalism and neopagan nationalism are not the only two options. There is a place in the world for every ethny, and surely there are differences. The chief difference though has always been civilization, not race as such. Lily white Albanian white slavers are not to be preferred over African Benedictine monks.
Preach on, Brother!
@Dystopia Max
ReplyDeleteThe rise of the managerialist state has expanded opportunities for motivated minorities to bully their way into posts in government and university departments normally shunned by the more qualified or dedicated.
Now we're sort of thinking!
Whether it became this way by natural ideological evolutionary development or by a Commie Cabal deviously pulling strings behind the scenes (my money's on the former,) very little about it has the smell either rigor or tradition over personal interest and clique development.
The question is why wasn't conservatism able to resist the takeover?
"The question is why wasn't conservatism able to resist the takeover?"
ReplyDeleteBecause "the conservative movement", or its primary funders, had rejected Birch, Buchanan and Perot by the time of the effective takeover in the name of inclusion, being caught up in the thrill of a Cold War victory it didn't quite understand and an era of good feelings and bewildering technological advancement besides. Naturally, they were beaten by those whose focus was above narrow things like 'the good of the nation and its posterity' while that nation was obviously a world leader and generally assumed by the people making the most money off of it to be able to stay that way forever during the End of History.
Obviously, one can consider this a structural problem with conservatism, since it's been addressed before. Conservatives generally don't do the whole 'permanent revolution' thing once the battle is won, to their detriment when winning the battle doesn't involve destroying your implacable enemies utterly.
A few did, but Sam Francis can't fight his battles on his own.
@Dystopia Max
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You don't need a permanent revolution, you need permanent principles. Conservatism, at least the Anglo variety, is more a disposition that a set of principles aligned with reality.
"I don't speak out against sides, I speak out against stupid or evil."
ReplyDeleteThe Leftists thank you for your assistance in punching Rightward.
I wouldn't call myself a Stormfronter. But as I observe the world I see that --- broadly speaking --- countries full of white people are better places for white people to live than countries that are full of non-white people.
And the Left, in the current year, is determined above all else to fill white countries with non-white people.
If they succeed, all the principles held by high-minded cucks like yourself in the world aren't going to stop those countries from turning into what every other non-white filled countries in the world turn into. Worse places for white people to live. If you would get off your White Island sometime you would see that.
So I choose not to direct my attacks on the people who agree with me in the most important & general principle: Keep non-whites out of my white country. Pretty much regardless of what else they believe, or how personally distasteful I find their behavior.
Instead, I direct my attacks at the people who want to flood my country with non-white people. Whatever else they may believe, or how cultivated & civilized they behave.
Because, I f the non-white invasion can be halted, and --- God willing --- rolled back, there will be the time to discuss how to best organize our society which can include the voices of whatever it is you preeningly call yourself. But if the non-white invasion is not halted, that discussion will be drowned out by the resulting cacophony that we can get a foretaste of in South Africa, Brazil, Chicago and East LA.
Is that so hard to see? Looking around the world, do you observe any white nations that are becoming more diverse, more multicultural, more non-white and at the same time becoming more conservative, more moral, more peaceful, more prosperous, more efficient, more safe, more traditional? I don't.
Quit sucking your own cock for being smarter than the racists and open your eyes. In 2016, progressivism IS anti-whitism. It is other stuff too, but has figured out that the way to implement it is to overwhelm all the white people first.
When you align yourself against people trying to keep white nations white, for whatever lofty reasons you have, you assist Progressivism accomplish its aims.
@Hoss
ReplyDeleteThe Leftists thank you for your assistance in punching Rightward.
Tards to the left of me, tards to the right.
So I choose not to direct my attacks on the people who agree with me in the most important & general principle: Keep non-whites out of my white country. Pretty much regardless of what else they believe, or how personally distasteful I find their behavior.
Let's get a few things straight. Trump is not a product of the Alt-Right and it is not driving his policies. The fact that the Alt-Right supports him does not mean that he supports it. Should he decided to build a wall--and it appears that he is wobbly on this issue--it wont be because of the Alt-Right. Blogposts aren't going to change this election.
I chose my allies carefully because I don't want to make the mistakes of the past. As a Christian, I'm aware that the Natsocs are not my friends, and once whiteopia is achieved, the Jesus people are next in line for the chopping block. For a Christian Rightist, the choice on offer is of being persecuted in a mono or multi-cultural society. No deal.
What's at stake here is the future of Right wing Politics. What's being forged right now on the internet, in the dissident Right, is the future of Conservatism and what I'm trying to do--and others--is align it with the historical cultural continuity of pre-modernist Europe. Your mates, on the other hand, reject that view and want their own brand of anti-Christian modernism. "God willing" you say.
Quit sucking your own cock for being smarter than the racists and open your eyes. In 2016, progressivism IS anti-whitism. It is other stuff too, but has figured out that the way to implement it is to overwhelm all the white people first.
Look around you. Nearly all the leaders of the Democratic and Conservative factions, those advocating open borders and invite the world ARE WHITE. White people don't need overwhelming, they're quite capable of self destructing by themselves. You keep looking for enemies from the outside but the enemy is inside, inside yourself. Materialism is a self destructive dead end
"Let's get a few things straight. Trump is not a product of the Alt-Right and it is not driving his policies. The fact that the Alt-Right supports him does not mean that he supports it. Should he decided to build a wall--and it appears that he is wobbly on this issue--it wont be because of the Alt-Right. Blogposts aren't going to change this election."
ReplyDeleteIndeed. Let us get a few things straight.
One, you are such a prissy little hysterical faggot.
Two, Trump is the only politician in the USA that is willing to take a strong stand for border control. Maybe he is lying. But even being willing to lie about wanting a strong border is a quantum leap improvement over the other politicians. For his own reasons, at this moment he is allied with the Alt-Right on the issue of immigration & deserves our support for that.
"What's at stake here is the future of Right wing Politics. What's being forged right now on the internet, in the dissident Right, is the future of Conservatism and what I'm trying to do--and others--is align it with the historical cultural continuity of pre-modernist Europe. "
And if Europe is turned into a larger version of what London is now, and America is turned into what California is now, what good does your pre-modernist aligned Right wing do then?
You never did answer my question of whether you see diversifying white nations becoming more or less like the kind of place that you would like to live. Because you know the answer is in every case "less". Because only white people are interested in the kinds of things that you are interested in. Your only true allies are those who will preserve white nations as white. Because once they've gone, so goes any chance you have of ever making any real change in the world.
"Look around you. Nearly all the leaders of the Democratic and Conservative factions, those advocating open borders and invite the world ARE WHITE. White people don't need overwhelming, they're quite capable of self destructing by themselves."
True. And when you sniff disapprovingly of the white people opposing those treasonous whites, and join those traitors in the condemnation of racists, you are doing the traitors work for them. Your motivation is irrelevant. You are both attacking the same people. That makes you allies.
"You keep looking for enemies from the outside but the enemy is inside, inside yourself."
Nope. I did not turn Central California into Upper Mexico. I did not turn Paris into an outpost of the Mahgreb. I did not turn London into a suburb of Karachi. White leftists did that, assisted by other whites who were willing to agree to anything to avoid being called racist.
The real dead end is speaking to someone who lives inside their theoretical fairyland. Go spend a week in South Africa and then get back to me about how much more important principles are than demographics.
You never did answer my question of whether you see diversifying white nations becoming more or less like the kind of place that you would like to live
ReplyDeleteI'm all for ethnic homogeneity and and against multiculutralism, but for totally different reasons than you. I'm also for closed borders and asserting that a country has the right to control the make up of its population.
Before we go on any further, can you point out to me where I have advocated open boarders or multicultural societies on my blog?
Quotes please.
I'm not all that familiar with Sam Francis, but after this, and the piece on Masculinity that will change. Now to wade in... I think the Alt-Right memes are hilarious, and it is certainly refreshing to see people of my generation challenging the status quo leftism that had dominated our upbringing. The obsession with the Jews though, comes across as more than a little paranoid. I'm not denying that Jews haven't played a role, significant role, in establishing dysgenic social norms (Gay "Marriage", Whatever Bruce Jenner is doing, interracial childbearing, etc); if you need proof of that check out the ADL's Twitter feed. However, Judiasm is no more monolithic than any other religion, and the division between Orthodox/Conservative and Reform/Reconstructianist is both significant and visable. Orthodox Jews are the furthest thing from progressive, and would probably agree with most of the points Francis makes. I'm from a mid sized Southern Town that had a Jewish Population of probably 20,000. They were completely absent from local politics, and from what I observed (not a scientific poll) had social views identical to their neighbors - decidedly right of center. The ones I knew had long family histories in the area as well. Now, I've never lived in New York or California, so perhaps the experience would have been very different. But many of the memes that are floating around the internet seem to describe a group within a group as opposed to the group as a whole. That Jews don't intermarry is simply not true. The Intermarriage rate is staggering, and mostly In the Reform Community (Lefties). So, if the Alt-Right can just wait it out for another few decades; the only Jews left will be the insular Orthodox who want nothing to do with you. Lastly, because of intermarriage, there are large numbers of "white people" who have Ashkenazi admixture. What does the Alt-Right propose to do with them? If they were to obtain their white ethnostate would they then be burdened with administering millions of 23 and me tests, and deporting a blond haired blue eyed kid with a Jewish Grandmother to Israel (or to a modern day Aushwitz). I'm curious to know
ReplyDelete"I'm all for ethnic homogeneity and and against multiculutralism, but for totally different reasons than you. I'm also for closed borders and asserting that a country has the right to control the make up of its population."
ReplyDeleteThen shut your faggot mouth about "racists". Those are the people who agree with you. What matters to the world are your actions. Your reasons are irrelevant.
The other people shouting "racist" are the ones who want open borders and diversity. When you shout racist & bemoan the meanies in the alt-right, you are helping that side. Not much, because nobody gives a shit about what you write, but every cuck like you does add to the cuck total of the world & collectively makes things harder for the non-cucks.
And your site is still listed by a couple of aggregators in the NRx sphere, as a relic of when you were relevant 3 or so years or so. So maybe there are some other faggots out there who are influenced by you.
Yeah. We get it. You don't like us.
But why don't you just try this response on for size?
"I don't agree with those 14/88 guys on a lot of things. Their materialism. Their inner leftism that they don't even know about. That they don't seem to have thought through what to do with their ethnostate after they achieve it. They also seem to be excessively preoccupied with that they are against, instead of what they are for. Most of all, I worry that they are anti-Christian.
But you know what? They seem to be on the right side of a lot of the important issues facing white nations right now, like immigration and nationalism. And I understand how the repressive Leftist consensus pushes people to that extreme when they realize that they have been lied to their whole life. And they certainly do seem to be adding a lot of energy to the right movement at this point in time. So I don't condemn them.
However I do hope that this youthful exuberance eventually mellows into a more thoughtful Rightist movement more in line with traditional pre-enlightenment ideals. I look forward to a day when we have halted Leftisms advances, and have breathing room to discuss what a mainstream Rightist movement will look like. In anticipation of that conversation, here are my ideas about non-Cucked Christian Rightist society."
Do you see the difference between that and "I hate those racist Nazi dummies so much because I am so smart & also pure in thoughts".
To the enemy, we are already on the same side. By just saying that you are against diversity, to the Left you ARE a Nazi. Explaining your reasons why you aren't like us won't help you with them. It will just piss off anyone who might be your ally. Who you might even be able to influence a whole lot easier than someone coming from the SJW side to start with.
@Hoss
ReplyDeleteFirsly, I notice you haven't quoted me.
The other people shouting "racist" are the ones who want open borders and diversity. When you shout racist & bemoan the meanies in the alt-right, you are helping that side.
So anyone who is not with you is against you? What about other policy positions?
And your site is still listed by a couple of aggregators in the NRx sphere, as a relic of when you were relevant 3 or so years or so. So maybe there are some other faggots out there who are influenced by you.
You're still here. Self identified sexuality issues?
To the enemy, we are already on the same side.
No we're not. You're closer to them than I am.
"So anyone who is not with you is against you? What about other policy positions?"
ReplyDeleteIn the modern Western world, there are only two policy positions on the issue of national demographics on offer:
1) Diversity is great, let's have more.
And.
2) Let's stay white.
Absolutely, you can hold other policy positions. In your own cucked head. But out here in reality, either number one or number two is going to happen. If you spend your time & energy parroting the same rhetoric as the people who want number one, you are their effective ally, regardless of your internal motivation.
You remind me of the British South Africans. Who bemoaned the harshness of the apartheid regime & how hateful the Afrikaans meanies were to create & enforce it. And sniffed at their rustic ways, and did everything they could to disassociate themselves from the racist Boers & their distasteful ideas. While at the same time benefitting enormously by the orderly, prosperous society that the hateful Afrikaans created for white people in South Africa.
In other words. You want to have it both ways.
You want want policies that are exclusionary (aka racist) and at the same time you want to shit on the people who also want exclusionary policies, for being racist.
What the fuck is wrong with hypocrite cucks like you that you are so terrified of the word racist? Your racist as fuck ancestors and their racist as fuck White Australia policies are what have given you a safe clean prosperous society there. You want to keep that society, but to be able to also get credit for not being a racist. Just accept it & admit it. White countries are better for white people. Sure, there are some exceptions of amazing non-whites and shitty non-whites. But on the whole, in general, if you want to keep your country a great place for yourself & your family you need to keep the non-whites out.
Grow some balls.
@Typicaly Anonymous
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, you can hold other policy positions. In your own cucked head. But out here in reality, either number one or number two is going to happen. If you spend your time & energy parroting the same rhetoric as the people who want number one, you are their effective ally, regardless of your internal motivation.
Where have I promoted open borders? Quotes please.
You remind me of the British South Africans.
The South Africans were full of shit. They wanted an ethnically pure state yet let vast numbers of blacks in to do all of the shit work. I'd have far more respect for them if they kept the blacks out and did the shit work themselves, but that's the problem with Anglo/Dutch racial theory, it's not about ethnic purity its about economic exploitation. Even the Furher, with his racial purity ideals, didn't think it beneath him to exploit Jewish and Eastern European labor to build his weapons.
You want want policies that are exclusionary (aka racist) and at the same time you want to shit on the people who also want exclusionary policies, for being racist.
What do you mean by racism? If you mean I advocate ethnically homogeneous states, then I'm a racist, but if you mean I want to take away the rights and dignity of people in my state, so that I can elevate my status, then I'm not. Is English your first language? Do you have comprehension issues? Are you on Medication? Because this blog has never advocated open borders or multiculturalism, so I don't understand why I keep being told I advocate these things. I can only presume that you and your ilk are retarded
"If you mean I advocate ethnically homogeneous states, then I'm a racist, but if you mean I want to take away the rights and dignity of people in my state, so that I can elevate my status, then I'm not."
ReplyDeleteI'm sure the SJWs & their feral shock troops will honor that distinction. Who knows, they might even execute you last!