Today, Vox put up a post explaining what the alt-Right is.
To quote Vox;
"This is no longer true, assuming it ever was. The great line of
demarcation in modern politics is now a division between men and women
who believe that they are ultimately defined by their momentary opinions
and those who believe they are ultimately defined by their genetic
heritage. The Alt Right understands that the former will always lose to
the latter in the end, because the former is subject to change."
No, the line of demarcation was defined long ago by Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
Live not by Lies.
Truth is the only stable foundation of any political, moral, religious or social order.
My last few posts have dealt with some of the writings of Sam Francis. Francis was an implacable foe of the Neoconservatives whom he felt had poisoned the Right. Francis, despite his considerable analytical skill was quite vague as to why he found NeoConservatism so objectionable simply stating that it contained the "essence of Liberalism."
As far as I can tell, Francis felt that NeoConservatism was Liberalism in disguise. And it's my opinion that the Alt-Reich is pretty much the same.
At it's heart, it still bases itself on Genetic Calvinism which is ultimately a rejection of the Christian basis of Western Civilization. And while it definitely does not resemble the current beta liberalism, an alpha liberalism is liberalism just the same.
Alt-right is the part of the broader movement which refuses to reject enlightenment (the very core of evil we're fighting against). I'm so sad to see that the reactionary movement has been largely drowned into their paradoxal thought. Although Yarvin has ignited the reaction and is largely responsible for it's contemporary rebirth he is in essence a cryptoliberal; alt-right being another step in the walk towards the counter-enlightenment. When we think about it that is precisely what the reaction is about - world was slowly being moved over the centuries to the left (since Ockham) and as such return to the true traditionalism needs to happen gradually, but man would think that by this time we will have grown over it instead of the pure thought being drowned in the sea of entryism - I purely doubt there are people in postmodern circles who espouse Ockham's ideas, although he was the modern liberalism's progenitor.
ReplyDeleteIn the end, even if our movement prevails, if it forgets it's ultimate goal it comes down to nothing.
I am not surprised. Vox "I'm not a Conservative" Day is actually a liberal.
ReplyDeleteA really good analysis of the problem with the focus on genetic material as the basis for everything a man or woman is and is ever to be (and as such the basis for all decisions) can be read here:
ReplyDeletehttps://canecaldo.wordpress.com/2016/08/23/in-the-beginning-there-were-no-jews/
Also, religious conviction dismissed as mere "momentary opinions" says a lot about the author's own professed religious convictions.
Alt-right is the part of the broader movement which refuses to reject enlightenment
ReplyDeleteI don't think that the Enlightenment is a problem. You need to differentiate between the Enlightenment and its radical branch the Positivists. THEY are the problem.
@Ingnemar and Elspeth, thanks for dropping by.
Live not by Lies. Truth is the only stable foundation of any political, moral, religious or social order.
ReplyDeleteYes! This is the entire answer.
I am done with Vox Day. You worried a year ago (or so) that neoreaction would be infiltrated by provocateurs who would inject racialism into the discourse. What we failed to account for was that the leaders themselves would lap that poison up.
ReplyDeleteWith sayings like this--
Possibly the most evil individual of the 20th century is not Hitler, Mao, or Stalin, but Norman Borlaug, the so-called Father of the Green Revolution, who is credited with saving one billion Indians and Pakistanis from dying of starvation.
And this--
But if my choices are limited to choosing between SJWs and National Socialists, if I must choose between totalitarian globalists and National Socialists, like most Americans, like most Europeans, then I will choose the latter every single time.
Finally,
there will be no peace until the white nations are either a) predominantly white again or b) extinct.
I think that Vox Day may in fact be evil in an unironic way.
Ingemar, I'm afraid things have come to pass as I expected.
ReplyDeleteBut hey, as any movement becomes "democratic" it immediately dumbs down. I've got a feeling that this won't end well for the "alt-Right", since a lot of it really is the "alt-Reich", and if you step away from the internet forums and talk to real people a lot of this stuff is politically repellent.
We got to hang in their simple so that there is someone left to emerge from the rubble.
The problem, I think, with Vox (and with many, although certainly not all, members of the Alt-Right) is that he absolutizes certain values to the exclusion of others. He takes something legitimate, like a desire for homogeneity and an awareness of the dangers of diversity in the modern nation/state (although I think one has to be very careful about this), and then magnifies it so out of proportion that he ends up repudiating common sense and basic decency. Hence, to allude to Ingemar above, what at least APPEARS to be Vox's espousal of ethnic cleansing in order to make America cohesive, or his strange fetish of asserting that SJWs are worse than Nazis or Communists. Unfortunately, I again think this sort of hairy-chested, "lit by the prison of one idea" mentality is all-too-common in the alt-right (noble exceptions: Charles Murray and Steve Sailer, although I do wish the latter would disown some of his Alt-Right colleagues).
ReplyDelete@Jason
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, I again think this sort of hairy-chested, "lit by the prison of one idea" mentality is all-too-common in the alt-right
Agree.
You forgot to work in the cuck whine "Racism is collectivism!" White people all over the world are being subjected to a coordinated policy of genocide through racist colonialism and when they've been made a hated minority in their own homelands all your cucking about ideas and Christianity will be irrelevant. The essence of modern leftism is white-hating, genocidal racism, and the alt-right is surely against that. Unlike you. It's genocide, complete with mass-rape and mass-murder, which side are you on?
ReplyDeleteJason, absolutizes certain values to the exclusion of others.
ReplyDeleteHe's a Prot; this is how Protestantism operates. Take one theme of the bible or wherever that appeals to you personally and make it "everything", culminating in wild insanity like OSAS or Calvinism, something any normal moral person is horrified by. The virtue of temperance is lost.
Regarding Vox himself, he's sort of a brilliant fool - heck, he doesn't even believe in evolution nor have a grasp of basic theology. I don't mean he's analyzed it and disagrees. He's clearly never done much thinking about it and doesn't care much. He likes to argue, so he spouts off at whatever. Were he an actual serious theological thinker he would have went after Aquinas and Ignatius as heretics and addressed how the Church went off the rails. But his theology is more like a TV show for him, something to dally with for political points. Here today, gone tomorrow.
there will be no peace until the white nations are either a) predominantly white again or b) extinct.
ReplyDeleteWell, knowing 1) how humans operate via tribe, and 2) how white genetics are mostly recessive, I think this is a clear statement of fact.
And looking at white demographics, collapsing from 25% to 10% world population in a few hundred years (and still falling like a rock) along with massive mobility due to planes, trains, and autos, I think slow but steady extinction is the more likely scenario. But that jury is still out; white people are funny and unpredictable.
MK, I don't want to engage in an anti-Protestant polemic (and I'm also no longer a believer, so take what I say with a grain of salt if you'd llike), but sure, there is truth to your criticism. It does seem that lots of especially Alt-Right Protestants, not to mention Catholics who appear unaware through their lack of "temperance" of the vibrancy of the Christian tradition, do ignore the wise and prudent benchmarks that have been left throughout history by wise Catholic (although also Protestant and Orthodox, as well as secular) thinkers and actors. Hence somebody like Vox, who I think is often very astute and at times briliant, just easily at times goes off the deep end through his disregard of the rule of law, or of the just-war tenent against intentional civilian casualties that have served the West quite well. I guess the point is that even if you're quite intelligent like Mr. Beale, if you just rely on your own exegesis you're going to get into trouble eventually, simply because we're all sinful and limited and cannot get by without following - at least to a certain degree - the trail that others have left.
ReplyDeleteDon't mean to be lecturing or sound didactic MK; I
ReplyDeletem sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
He's a Prot; this is how Protestantism operates. Take one theme of the bible or wherever that appeals to you personally and make it "everything", culminating in wild insanity like OSAS or Calvinism, something any normal moral person is horrified by. The virtue of temperance is lost.
ReplyDeleteNo, MK, that's how PRIDE operates, and I've seen just as many Catholics run afoul of it as Protestants. Anywhere you have people, you'll have this issue and none are immune. If you think there's some magical ideology or belief system that will never be susceptible to it, that's usually the warning you're just about to fall to it.
@Nate
ReplyDeleteFirstly, I don't really want to speculate on what intellectual gyrations led to Vox's position. What I wanted to point out that Vox's list keeps us within the Modernist conception of the world, and therefore lacks intellectual continuity with the past.
Zippy Catholic, with whom I disagree with a lot, did put up a good post the other day which illustrates the Modernist trap.
https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2016/08/24/this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things/#comments
Be that as it may, Protestantism gives the believer far more scope at self justification than Catholicism does. As I said before, in other posts, Protestantism, isn't inherently liberal, it simply leaves the believer to his own devices. Amongst the logically rigorous and devout it's a "sound" religion, the problem is amongst the cognitive lite, who are "justified by faith alone", it allows the believer to swing "right" or 'left", convinced that he has God's blessing.
Slumlord, you're not entirely wrong, but by that manner, Catholicism gives far more scope than the Orthodox (as I've heard pointed out before, it never had a reformation).
ReplyDeleteBut the method remains the same: We judge others by their actions, and ourselves (and allies) by our intentions. "Oh the 'others' did X, well that is just endemic to who they are are, if they were us, they would not do X." "Oh we did X? Well that's just a violation of our ideals and if those of us were more perfectly the ideal X wouldn't be done." Or TL;DR - It's a rule for them, an exception for us.
Now you're totally right about the modernist conception of the world. It's exactly what CS Lewis predicted and warned us about in The Abolition of Man (which I think I've bugged you about for the past year ;)). It's an old heresy, one that showed up from the beginning of Christianity, and it was probably around even earlier than that we just don't have records of it.
And what Zippy is trying to say has already been expounded on by John C Wright last year. Then expanded again earlier this year. FYI.
Nate, No, MK, I've seen just as many Catholics run afoul of it as Protestants. If you think there's some magical ideology or belief system that will never be susceptible to it, that's usually the warning you're just about to fall to it.
ReplyDeleteNate, I was answering Jason's comment about how Vox absolutizes certain values to the exclusion of others. This is not "pride", it's just normal behavior for someone who is protesting something.
But it cannot be a Catholic position who (by definition) agree to be obedient to Church authority. If they are not, well, they are (by definition)....protestant...
@Nate
ReplyDeleteCatholicism gives far more scope than the Orthodox
Yes it does, but Orthodoxy has its problems as well. (Especially with regard to its relationship with Truth)
"Oh the 'others' did X, well that is just endemic to who they are are, if they were us, they would not do X."
Not really. In matters of Dogma the Catholic System demands obedience else the member is poor standing. In the Protestant System there is no such demand as each member is by definition his own "Pope". Protestantism allows self justification in a way that Catholicism or Orthodoxy doesn't. Hence the fissuring of Protestantism.
"But hey, as any movement becomes "democratic" it immediately dumbs down. I've got a feeling that this won't end well for the "alt-Right", since a lot of it really is the "alt-Reich", and if you step away from the internet forums and talk to real people a lot of this stuff is politically repellent."
ReplyDeleteAlmost precisely the opposite of the truth. It is NRX that is politically repellent, otherwise it would be politically successful.
"We got to hang in their simple so that there is someone left to emerge from the rubble."
'Become worthy' devolved to 'let other people destroy themselves so we can grab what's left' a little to quickly, possibly someone may have neglected to check for (((coincidences)))?
By the way those coincidences are probably the main reason Sam Francis implicitly distrusted the neocons, much more so than 'containing the essence of liberalism', which strikes me as a lame excuse for something he could not say in polite company.
@Dystopia Max
ReplyDeleteFrancis was a pretty smart guy and also intellectually honest and courageous. He knew that the Jews had power but he recognised that they were NOT the primary problem. He saw that there were many other groups who were undermining the the cultural foundations of the country with the Jews taking the blame. The Jews were a "plausible" fallguy for the cognitive lite.
Francis did not think they were the major problem.