tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post8966054660167961471..comments2024-03-28T17:58:56.707+11:00Comments on The Social Pathologist: WTF?The Social Pathologisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-21067934466137153602014-10-28T21:32:05.374+11:002014-10-28T21:32:05.374+11:00Dịch vụ Check domain miễn phí. check domain nhanh ...Dịch vụ <a href="http://inet.vn/kiem-tra-ten-mien.html" title="Check domain" rel="nofollow">Check domain</a> miễn phí. check domain nhanh chóng chính xác<br />Dịch vụ <a href="http://web.tin.vn/web-ban-hang.html" title="Tạo web miễn phí" rel="nofollow">Tao web mien phi</a> từ inet cho phép bạn tạo web bán hàng hoàn toàn miễn phí<br />Tin tức <a href="http://reddevilsgallery.blogspot.com/" title="Bóng đá" rel="nofollow">Bóng đá</a> cập nhật 24/7. 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Game in the alt-right/neoreaction/mano - sphere turns around Roissy's blog and it's proclamations. If you want to redefine game to mean chopping wood in the backyard and growing a beard, or some other back-to-the-old-ways fantasy, fine. If you want to harken back to what the Bible told you you should be, fine again. But don't call it game. Game is about creating a false impressions for the purpose of seducing women, which is something that if Christ had bothered to opine on, he would have condemned.<br /><br />If you want to take game and strip it of all the duplicity, cunning, falsity and questionable behavior but keep the lofty principles like leadership, athleticism, assertiveness, traditional masculine bearing, etc, etc, that's ok too, but then why do you insist on calling it game? It clearly has nothing to do with Roissy game, which is focused on using duplicity and cunning to seduce sluts into fornication. There is a very good reason why "trad" types instinctively recoil at that type of game, which glossing over like SP is doing here, doesn't help."<br /><br />People like you really deserve to be gas chambered. <br /><br />"Waaaaaah, he doesn't act like a boring, about-to-be-divorce raped provider chump :'("<br /><br />Listen faggot: Game isn't about deciving people. It is about changing your personality in a manner that makes women want to fuck you. If you even had the sack to go out and use game, you would know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-32976984891931531042014-04-07T12:29:37.112+10:002014-04-07T12:29:37.112+10:00"and the men who least understand women are t..."and the men who least understand women are the hardcore PUAs. I wouldn't take the advice of either. Actually, I never have. I've always just sat back and watched them screw up their lives and never said a word."<br /><br />Is there anything more funny than a permavirgin loser that considers men getting ample snatch are "messing up" their lives?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-27902061336281824252014-02-24T10:13:41.323+11:002014-02-24T10:13:41.323+11:00My experience has been the women who least underst...My experience has been the women who least understand men are the sluts, and the men who least understand women are the hardcore PUAs. I wouldn't take the advice of either. Actually, I never have. I've always just sat back and watched them screw up their lives and never said a word.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16046202647270439670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-7093052828566399682014-02-14T00:26:44.089+11:002014-02-14T00:26:44.089+11:00I think this is not the essence of the red pill, i...I think this is not the essence of the red pill, it is a peripheral factor. There are plenty of red pill concepts that are good and right, and these should be learned and practiced by Godly men......Phone Watchhttp://www.chinavasion.com/china/wholesale/Cheap_Mobile_Phones/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-5769127489627601812014-02-12T23:43:40.673+11:002014-02-12T23:43:40.673+11:00Matt Forney was way too impulsive to be a really g...Matt Forney was way too impulsive to be a really good blogger, and his blog had marginal impact at best. He never received anywhere near as much public exposure as Roosh or Roissy.Höllenhundnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-43692619945204409842014-02-12T16:38:59.978+11:002014-02-12T16:38:59.978+11:00mdavid, Trads merely point out that it's the i...mdavid, Trads merely point out that it's the ideal for a women to SAH.<br /><br />SP response, <i>It's the ideal for some women, not for all. Women don't seem as malleable as men when it comes to fitting roles to which they are unsuited to. Men and women are not the same.</i><br /><br />It's the genetic ideal for all women today. Sure, many cannot reach that ideal. Extinction is the norm, not the exception, for all living things.<br /><br />Many women don't <i>like</i> being SAHM, just like many men are unhappy supporting a brood (PUA). The PUA and the working woman have similar breeding strategies, and both are less fit in this day and age of plentiful resources. Which is why the West is fading to black, and traditional peoples are growing like crazy, filling the gap.<br /><br />Working women are a genetic product of an era were resources were scarce and working helped one's brood; that era no longer exists. Look at England for an example of what happens genetically when women turn their back on religion and large families (the two correlate strongly). One cannot call slow extinction and replacement (the path of the working woman) "ideal". It's anything but.mdavidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-42857119168929310442014-02-12T16:00:55.768+11:002014-02-12T16:00:55.768+11:00SP,
You wrote,
"So, in other words, what ...SP,<br /> You wrote,<br /> "So, in other words, what you're saying is that Benedict was wrong in his encyclical."<br /> *sigh*<br /> No, not at all. *As we have previously discussed on your very blog* Benedict's statement that those tendencies have always existed is obvious. BUT they haven't existed in a vacuum nor have they been unopposed and *that* is also obvious. <br /> My response was to your claim,<br /> "It's only once we get to Casti Connubi that the unitive aspect of the martial act is "officially" considered legitimate"<br /> That is not the case and my examples were geared toward that.<br /> Hence the direct quote.<br /> You wrote,<br /> "But the teaching that made its way to the people was decidedly anti-carnal"<br /> Of course it was! You *do* understand the difference between the theological definition of 'carnal' as opposed to 'pleasurable'? Yeah, a fine point but in matters like these precision is a must. Carnality means a focus on pleasure and an end in and of itself and is incompatible with properly ordered thinking. Properly ordered, pleasure is part of the concept of dual consequences - welcome, ordained, part of God's plan, unitive, and (naturally) pleasurable but not an end.Aquinas Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16760282282923079133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-75824305443429117622014-02-11T22:45:17.988+11:002014-02-11T22:45:17.988+11:00HV was probably infallible, since it restated trad...HV was probably infallible, since it restated traditional teaching.<br /><br />I have no objection to women working or not, married or not. My main point is that most women, given the choice, work part-time when they are mothers.<br /><br />If I were being snarky I would note that men are just expected to be breadwinners. We don't get a choice.Julian O'Deahttp://davidcollard.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-12469259355079337882014-02-11T21:55:38.817+11:002014-02-11T21:55:38.817+11:00(punitive) in the above quote should be unitive.
(punitive) in the above quote should be unitive.<br />The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-53251879673258950062014-02-11T21:54:58.966+11:002014-02-11T21:54:58.966+11:00@Marcus D
Thanks for the offer, but I think I'...@Marcus D<br /><br />Thanks for the offer, but I think I'm the cat amongst the pigeons and I would probably stymie your project. Thanks and best wishes.<br /><br />@Julian<br /><br /><i>These issues are incredibly complex. A lot of ideas gained common currency without being officially taught.</i><br /><br />Agreed. You're right, given the wide nature of Catholic culture, one can find anything one wants but the issue here what was the "official party line" and until recently it was decidedly hostile to the pleasure (punitive aspect) of it. Castii was revolutionary since the unitive aspect was declared legitimate. (provided the procreative was not frustrated).<br /><br />I think that many people would view HV as more than a private opinion.<br /><br />I remember reading Noonan's Contraception, and whilst a study of the Church's teaching on sexuality was not the main emphasis of his book, given the nature of his subject he was bound to give it some consideration. Noonan earned wide acclaim as a truthful historian even though, I feel, his arguments at the end of the book were weak. Still my impression from reading this book was that the erotic component of sex was tolerated insofar as it facilitated offspring otherwise it was very negatively viewed from an institutional perspective.<br /><br />BTW, It's interesting how we differ with regard to the implications of Dr Hakim's work. I'm not being snarky here but it appears to me that you guys are happy to take <i>all</i> women out of the workforce on the notion the the majority of the women want to stay at home.<br /><br />Why aren't you open to a model that lets the women who want to stay at home stay at home and those who want to work, work?<br /><br />Honest question.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-83559041541355291102014-02-11T14:56:38.872+11:002014-02-11T14:56:38.872+11:00It is certainly possible for a pope to be wrong in...It is certainly possible for a pope to be wrong in an encyclical. Even on teaching. Popes do err, unless they are speaking ex cathedra or repeating settled and traditional teaching. <br /><br />And they can certainly err on supporting facts.<br /><br />Also doctors of the church are important in themselves. If St John Chrysostom did write in favour of sexual pleasure in marriage, that is very significant.<br /><br />These issues are incredibly complex. A lot of ideas gained common currency without being officially taught.<br /><br />I doubt that Casti Connubii was quite so revolutionary.<br /><br />In any case, as Vatican II reminded us, we have a right to our own conscientious views on many matters. A variety of opinion is almost always available. Many people who pronounce on these things, from layman to pope, are wont to presume that they are speaking as if ex cathedra. In almost every case, they are only giving a private opinion.Julian O'Deahttp://davidcollard.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-40297046393182514652014-02-11T13:58:26.495+11:002014-02-11T13:58:26.495+11:00@AD
So - Other than the fathers of the Church, se...@AD<br /><br /><i>So - Other than the fathers of the Church, several saints, manuals for confessors, etc. the Church hadn't mentioned it much....<br />Well, other than in the catechism.</i><br /><br />So, in other words, what you're saying is that Benedict was wrong in his encyclical.<br /><br />Look, policy discussion documents are different to official policy. I grasp that fact. I understand that there were many theologians and saints who took a more liberal view on the matter. But the teaching that made its way to the people was decidedly anti-carnal. Casti Connubii was a revolutionary document of the Church. Too bad it took 1900 years.<br /><br />Back to work again.<br /><br /><br />The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-50698161655582139362014-02-11T10:46:23.017+11:002014-02-11T10:46:23.017+11:00SP is more than welcome to join in, either for or ...SP is more than welcome to join in, either for or against the thesis.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />(I'll see if I have a non-banned account with which to contact 57thD on CAF to see if they want to join, too.)MarcusDhttp://simulacral-legendarium.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-42347240025971101392014-02-11T10:43:30.138+11:002014-02-11T10:43:30.138+11:00An interesting and relevant post here, I think: h...An interesting and relevant post here, I think: http://anarchopapist.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/the-potential-of-christianized-game/<br /><br />Novaseekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-6404747972172814822014-02-11T10:30:38.235+11:002014-02-11T10:30:38.235+11:00Sorry, I now notice that it was MD who was interes...Sorry, I now notice that it was MD who was interested in a collaborative article, not SP.<br /><br />Julian O'Deahttp://davidcollard.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-34214816813713550732014-02-11T10:11:54.342+11:002014-02-11T10:11:54.342+11:00Thanks, AD. I had my doubts that the Augustinian s...Thanks, AD. I had my doubts that the Augustinian strain in relation to sex was the only one. The Catholic Church has such a long, complex, rich history that one could find nearly anything if one looked.<br /><br />I complained about angelism and gnosticism. Some of the statements of the most recent popes have been remarkably unsexy. John Paul II, who really had no clue, said that men should not "lust after" their wives. Or at least so I am told. If that isn't the most absurd and unworldly remark, right up there with anything from the supposedly benighted Olden Days, then what is?<br /><br />The only other theologian of note to hold that view, about lusting after one's wife, is Ned Flanders.<br />Julian O'Deahttp://davidcollard.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-34696580199903773572014-02-11T10:04:23.940+11:002014-02-11T10:04:23.940+11:00I am not a systematic thinker and I have not read ...I am not a systematic thinker and I have not read every comment here, but I thought I would throw in a few points, into the pot so to speak.<br /><br />(What do you suggest we collaborate on, SP?)<br /><br />First I want to stress one point I made above. The growth in women in the workforce, in Australia at least, seems to be in part-time work, not full-time. That statistic about no more women being full-time in the workforce than fifty years ago really should be digested. As far as I know, it is basically true.<br /><br />That in itself should make an analytical person wonder whether the conventional wisdom about massive social change has been overestimated.<br /><br />I have also referred to a domestic activity survey, conducted by the Australian Government statistics people I believe, quite recently, that showed - to use the jargon - that housework is still strongly gendered.<br /><br />Feminism has always had an enormous amount of free publicity and support from the media. Especially the elite media. The day I wake up and hear a non-feminist program on the ABC will be the day I start searching the sky for portents of the apocalypse.<br /><br />In many ways it has long been like the media fagnagging (new word I invented this morning) we are currently being exposed to. It is All Gay, All the Time. Half the coverage of the Russian winter games has been about "homophobia". The American government now pours resources into promoting gay rights worldwide.<br /><br />Our local paper, the Canberra Times, was fully on board for gay marriage, with its pom-poms out all the way, even raising a cheer for how wonderful it had all been when the ACT's gay marriage laws were struck down federally.<br /><br />Gay is the new feminism. Once the media got behind feminism, it literally couldn't lose. Even when it lost, it was still reported to have won. There are still many, many Australian women who think that Julia Gillard was a leader of genius, a Superwoman, only destroyed by the misogyny kryptonite deployed by Tony Abbott and the evil patriarchy.<br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br />Julian O'Deahttp://davidcollard.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-54449256200037711882014-02-11T09:49:17.416+11:002014-02-11T09:49:17.416+11:00We know where part of the problem lies: http://for...We know where part of the problem lies: http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?p=11691329&postcount=110<br /> <br />(thread http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=858554)MarcusDhttp://simulacral-legendarium.blogspot.ca/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-26002361813998926972014-02-11T09:31:16.588+11:002014-02-11T09:31:16.588+11:00SP,
"That's Benedict speaking, not me&q...SP,<br /> "That's Benedict speaking, not me"<br /> And? We wrote back and forth about this in an earlier post of yours; yes, there is a back and forth of dualism in the church, as there is in general in most human endeavors, but official Church teachings is pretty consistent - and is not so very anti-flesh.<br /> Like I said before, more than once. Tis is a complicated topic with a lot of moving parts and many differing opinions. I object to your use of very broad language like "trads are hostile to..." <br /> I'm a trad. I hang out with lots of trads. I speak with many more; while some are hostile to pleasure, most aren't. And the Church's official teachings aren't, either.<br /> <br /> "It's only once we get to Casti Connubi that the unitive aspect of the martial act is "officially" considered legitimate"<br /> You mean other than the positive writings of St. Theophilus, Lacantius, Hippolytus, St. John Chrysostom, and the dozens of theologians who wrote books on moral theology that promoted sexual pleasure in marriage as a 'positive good', right? Heck, as I mentioned in another post the conclusion that men in some way 'owed' their wife an orgasm was not only decided in about the 13th Century I find reference to it in manuals for confessors from the 1600's through the 1920's!<br /> So - Other than the fathers of the Church, several saints, manuals for confessors, etc. the Church hadn't mentioned it much....<br /> Well, other than in the catechism.Aquinas Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16760282282923079133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-73084644726589038462014-02-11T08:45:03.894+11:002014-02-11T08:45:03.894+11:00Intelligence in a woman is attractive but its only...<i>Intelligence in a woman is attractive but its only part of the package.</i><br /><br />Of course, I agree. My point is that people select mates to whom they are attracted from the pool of similarly educated/credentialed people, by and large. The lawyer/secretary, doctor/nurse marriages are not very common now, particularly the higher you go in the credential chain. People still marry people based on overall attraction within that group, but that's the pool they're fishing in for a mate to begin with.Novaseekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-28562639969652087602014-02-11T07:47:35.660+11:002014-02-11T07:47:35.660+11:00Pertinent to Dr Hakim
She is a big proponent of E...Pertinent to Dr Hakim<br /><br />She is a big proponent of Erotic Capital<br /><br />Just one of her article.<br /><br />https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/have-you-got-erotic-capital/The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-85919761403450701792014-02-11T07:37:03.373+11:002014-02-11T07:37:03.373+11:00AD
"What I find striking about the Trads is ...AD<br /><br /><i>"What I find striking about the Trads is their hostility towards the hedonic component"<br />Is this the non-sequitur I feel it is? </i><br /><br />Quote from Deus Caritas Est.<br /><br />Nowadays Christianity of the past is often criticized as having been opposed to the body; <b>and it is quite true that tendencies of this sort have always existed.</b><br /><br />That's Benedict speaking, not me.<br /><br />This tendency has been a particular problem in the Anglo version of Catholicism but wherever Catholicism has been ascetical it has been a danger.<br /><br /><i>Sure, sure - its is personal anecdote vs. personal anecdote</i><br /><br />We can illustrate points with personal anecdotes but what is the bigger picture. I know that within the whole body of the Church their was a variety of opinion on these matters but what was Church "policy" as set down by the Pope?<br /><br />It's only once we get to Casti Connubi that the unitive aspect of the martial act is "officially" considered legitimate, some 1900 years after the foundation of Christianity. Even then there were dissenters. Just think about it for a minute. 1900 years to officially declare Eros within marriage a semi legitimate end (subordinate to overriding procreative imperative) and you're telling me that the Church had an objective relationship with it (Eros)? <br /><br /><i>The Church is concerned with our salvation and the development of our characters, not our quality of pickup line.</i><br /><br />Maybe the Church should have been concerned about it and perhaps then the sexual revolution would not have completely sideswiped it.<br /><br />The rise of Protestantism in Europe owed a lot to the reaction against the abuses occurring within the Church. Abuses which were corrected but well after the horse had bolted.<br />One way to stop these sorts of things happening in the first place is to deal with them lest others deal with the problem for you.<br /><br />The Church has no answer for dorkiness because the Church has no philosophy of Eros. It's spent to much time fighting it and not enough time trying to understand it.<br />To quote Zippy, the attitude of the Church to Eros was "Who cares".The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-90859462675843220462014-02-11T07:26:21.723+11:002014-02-11T07:26:21.723+11:00The studfy was prompted because many more women li...<i>The studfy was prompted because many more women list 'his income' as a key factor in marriage now than in 1940 and the reason was they felt a rich husband was needed to be a SAHW.</i><br /><br />Yes, that was from a Time survey, if I recall correctly.<br /><br />This, I think: http://christinewhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/Mate-Preferences-Chart.jpg<br /><br />--<br /><br />@Julian and AD<br /><br />If you're interested in writing a collaborative post on the topic, feel free to leave a comment on my blog and we can do that.MarcusDhttp://simulacral-legendarium.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-66984579709017445412014-02-11T07:08:32.119+11:002014-02-11T07:08:32.119+11:00MarcusD,
That was from the GSS and a Pew study (...MarcusD,<br /> That was from the GSS and a Pew study (I will dig it up when I get home from the office).<br /> The London School of Economics confirmed it (I think Dr. Hakim was the lead) and they also found that of working women with children 90% wanted to quit work and be full time SAHMs.<br /> The studfy was prompted because many more women list 'his income' as a key factor in marriage now than in 1940 and the reason was they felt a rich husband was needed to be a SAHW.<br /> Aquinas Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16760282282923079133noreply@blogger.com