tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post6583254963560693224..comments2024-03-28T17:58:56.707+11:00Comments on The Social Pathologist: Hitler was Bismark's Baby.The Social Pathologisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-64950841997301044612012-05-07T22:01:53.675+10:002012-05-07T22:01:53.675+10:00@Valkea
Sorry, somehow I missed out giving you a...@Valkea <br /><br />Sorry, somehow I missed out giving you a reply.<br /><br />I've had a look at the 1932 elections again. 84% of eligible voters turned out and the Nazi's received 37% of the votes. That means that 31% of Germans specifically wanted a Nazi leadership.<br /><br />In the 1924 elections, when Mussolini came to power, only 64% of Italians turned out. The National bloc received 65% of all cast ballots. Therefore 41% of Italians voted for it. But the National Bloc was a coalition made up of various ideologically disparate right wing parties. If we assume that approx 60% of people who voted for the National Bloc voted directly for the fascists (a very high and unlikely figure based on my reading) then roughly 25% of Italians voted for the fascists directly. After getting into power Mussolini neutralised the coalition and made himself Il Duce.<br /><br />As for Fascism itself, it was highly anti-clerical, Mussolini <i>only</i> got any traction after he assured the Church its demands. The Church halfheartedly sided itself with Mussolini only because it felt that compared to the socialists he was the lesser evil. They were correct in my view because even though the Fascists were vile, they were less vile than the communists.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-75367205540046328332012-05-06T22:57:25.867+10:002012-05-06T22:57:25.867+10:00@Anon
I'm aware of the historical argument.
...@Anon<br /><br />I'm aware of the historical argument.<br /><br />I do think war was inevitable even if Hitler had not come to power, but the then in would have been U.S. vs U.S.S.R 1943. With U.S. nukes.<br /><br />It' would have been bloody but Communism would have died.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-49004705189689301492012-05-06T09:06:05.019+10:002012-05-06T09:06:05.019+10:00It`s good discussion however I think the war was i...It`s good discussion however I think the war was inevitable, had Germany rejected Hitler (something conventional wisdom supports) they would have been invaded anyway by the Soviet Union which after murdering tens of millions of its own people was about to unleash its force in Europe. The evidence of this fact has been growing and has gained very serious Supporters in the Schools of History (Suvorov, Stauss to mention just a few).<br /><br />You can check this site to get started in the argument: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n6p40_Michaels.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-2928936857734513422012-05-05T06:27:04.054+10:002012-05-05T06:27:04.054+10:00What about Italy, which started the fascist left t...What about Italy, which started the fascist left trend. Way to go, Team Pope. ;)Valkeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10835782570473516162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-59873199408546103742012-05-03T00:07:40.289+10:002012-05-03T00:07:40.289+10:00@ David
It's a good book.@ David<br /><br />It's a good book.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-12405561856800398882012-05-02T09:41:28.104+10:002012-05-02T09:41:28.104+10:00"Owner" was me....Google apparently deci..."Owner" was me....Google apparently decided to identify comments by the profile name rather than the blog name or the person's name.<br /><br />The best book I've seen on the social climate in Germany between the wars is Sebastian Haffner's memoir, which I reviewed at length here:<br /><br />http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/11181.htmlDavid Fosterhttp://photoncourier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-48135170233221226812012-05-01T23:56:04.355+10:002012-05-01T23:56:04.355+10:00@Owner.
Thanks for Reck-Malleczewen tip. I ordere...@Owner.<br /><br />Thanks for Reck-Malleczewen tip. I ordered his book from Amazon today. Looks very interesting.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/april2009/nazi-toffs.html" rel="nofollow">You might find this article interesting as well</a>. The Nazi rot permeated <i>all strata of German Society,</i>. Yes, and I'm aware that Hitler was the object of erotic interest for many German females.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-6559600096903169082012-05-01T10:40:42.994+10:002012-05-01T10:40:42.994+10:00According to Friedrich Reck-Malleczewen, who lived...According to Friedrich Reck-Malleczewen, who lived through it and keep a secret diary (published as "Diary of a Man in Despair"), the most enthusiastic supporters of Naziism included low-level government employees (post office workers, etc) and teachers. Also, I don't have time to dig up the links at the moment, but there was pretty heavy female support for the Nazi party.<br /><br />A very interesting piece from Atlantic magazine from 1935 on the psychological/philosophical roots of Naziism:<br /><br />http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1935/02/swastika/8959/David Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15464681514800720063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-65565264001727062562012-04-30T22:21:52.138+10:002012-04-30T22:21:52.138+10:00That would be anyone else in Germany who supported...That would be anyone else in Germany who supported the Nazi's. Dumb Catholics, Atheists and apparently, early on, there were even some Jewish supporters, according to Kuehnelt-leddihn.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-75180515770232274532012-04-30T19:28:15.511+10:002012-04-30T19:28:15.511+10:00Besides protestants, who were the nazis main suppo...Besides protestants, who were the nazis main supporters?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com