tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post2524957538591386165..comments2024-03-19T16:00:07.955+11:00Comments on The Social Pathologist: And the Agony Continues The Social Pathologisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-12472820971791837692018-07-26T10:24:41.873+10:002018-07-26T10:24:41.873+10:00@Hoyos
Why didn't any of the adult priests fi...@Hoyos<br /><br /><i>Why didn't any of the adult priests fight back? </i><br /><br />I think you can't really narrow it down to one reason.<br /><br />Firstly, I think many of the senior homosexuals are quite adept at spotting other men with homosexual proclivities, so they tend to target those who are more likely to be sympathetic to the lifestyle.<br /><br />Secondly, many of the priests who enter the Seminary have high ideals and I imagine should they fail in these ideals they're going to be very embarrassed should they fail them. I wouldn't be at all surprised if those who "dabbled a bit" in homosexuality are horrified at what they have done. This, of course, opens them to the opportunity for blackmail and enforced silence.<br /><br />Thirdly, the Christian bias towards forgiveness instead of justice combined with the modern Christian conception of passivity in the face of evil produces in its victims and effective acceptance of being wronged, while at the same time a bias against pursuing justice. Effectively, they take the abuse and forgive the sinner. Hoping for conversion.<br /><br />Fourthly, I think many of the hierarchy know just how hard sexual continence is and are understanding of failures and so are not quick to judge.<br /><br />Fifthly, I think that the ideals of modern Kumbayah Christianity <i>biases</i> selection in favour of low T seminarians. (That's not to say that all seminarians are low T, it's just that the mean is.) A fighting Church will having fighting priests, a soy boy religion........well.<br /><br />So I think you can't just narrow it down to one factor.<br /><br />Overall, what's clear to me that the Church hierarchy, for whatever reason, thought justice to the victims was of secondary importance to whatever other imperative they had.<br /><br />Unfortunately, this does tend to be a theme in modern Christian/Catholic thinking and is an example of the empozzment of the Church. Take Capital Punishment for example: Lots of blathering of the welfare of the criminal but zero thought to the justice owed to the victim, capital punishment becomes all about the sanctity of the criminal instead of the victim. A lot of "this type of thinking" infects the Church and I think it goes a long way to explaining the abuse crisis. <br /><br />BTW, good comments at Z Man's.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-23730773402804391122018-07-25T20:29:03.695+10:002018-07-25T20:29:03.695+10:00Had an odd thought especially with the McCarrick s...Had an odd thought especially with the McCarrick story, which as a psychologist I wonder what your take might be.<br /><br />Why didn't any of the adult priests fight back? I mean, I'm not making any great claim to manliness, but I've been in fights, although not outside of the mat since college, and I've been in financial difficulties, although not perhaps the total reliance of a priest, but I'm pretty sure if my boss tried to sodomize me, I'd hit him until it stopped. <br /><br />I think most psychologically normal men would do the same and wouldn't even think about it, it'd just be instinct, like swerving away from an oncoming car. Again, not talking about teenagers and boys, a whole different dynamic could be at play, but seminarians are typically grown men aren't they? I intuitively think that's maybe the problem, is that they were thinking "too much" or something. Where does your head have to be at where you talk yourself into it?Hoyosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-15278724247274207302018-07-24T23:26:40.815+10:002018-07-24T23:26:40.815+10:00@Demographi
I've seen the article and broadly...@Demographi<br /><br />I've seen the article and broadly agree with it. It's interesting that population of Italy is not lining up with the priests on this issue. Perhaps a Christian populist Right is trying to correct the errors of the Church hierarchy.<br />The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-80591863386555980362018-07-24T06:04:55.988+10:002018-07-24T06:04:55.988+10:00
Christianity as National Suicide Pact
http://ww...<br />Christianity as National Suicide Pact <br /><br />http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/europe-christianity-italy-national-suicide-pact-migration/<br />Demographinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-39040682272032104992018-07-24T00:01:58.969+10:002018-07-24T00:01:58.969+10:00@BC
Without going into any detailed plan - how mi...@BC<br /><br /><i>Without going into any detailed plan - how might this realistically happen? </i><br /><br /><br />Firstly, the sexual abuse controversy has undercut the authority of the priesthood to a degree that I don't think that the hierarchy fully comprehends. They're not seen as ministers of God's word anymore but as hypocrites.<br /><br />Secondly, Francis is attempting to decentralise the Church, bypassing a lot of the rot in the Curia. I think he's trying to implement the idea of collegiality so as to allow new initiatives to arise from the periphery. I think that the laity can also have much more influence by this approach.<br /><br />Thirdly, I do think that among the more sensible bishops there is a recognition that we're in deep crisis and that something new has to be done.<br /><br />Fourthly, the Church also exists within the prevailing culture. The left is openly hostile to it while some elements of the Right are supportive of it, though not in its current form. I think that what may happen is that the Dissident Right may be able to influence by "cultural osmosis" the intellectual climate in which the Church forms its ideas and hence shift it toward a more reality based footing.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-15303335543669106972018-07-23T00:29:02.898+10:002018-07-23T00:29:02.898+10:00@SP "Any renewal of the Church, and therefore...@SP "Any renewal of the Church, and therefore West, is going to be a "bottom-up" affair. Probably with much opposition from the hierarchy. "<br /><br />Without going into any detailed plan - how might this realistically happen? <br /><br />(As a sympathetic outsider...) My only idea is to reflect that there have been situations, including among the extremely devout, even Saintly) monks, ascetics and hermits of the very early church, where it was acceptable Not to participate in the Mass for considerable lengths of time... a decade or sometimes more among Desert Fathers. <br /><br />As a temporary measure, deeply regretted, this may allow a window of opportunity during which the devout laity may be able to be relatively autonomous from a corrupt priesthood (actually corrupt bishops, specifcially, since bishops make priests); and reinvigorate the Catholic Church.<br /><br />There have been periods of tension between the spiritual leadership of bishops/ priests and abbots/ monks (ie. non-ordained orders) - during which the monks have carried the flame. <br /><br />Ireland during the Dark Ages is a well known example... indeed the leadership of bishops was only finally established by the Synod of Whitby. <br /><br />(Nowadays, in the West, nearly all monks are priests - but that need not be the case - indeed priest-monks (heiromonks, including the Orthodox bishops) are the exception among monks in Orthodoxy.) <br /><br />Unfourtunately the current religious orders in the RCC seem to be among the most corrupt - however, new lay orders would probably be easier to 'launch' and sustain in the face of hostile corrupt bishops, than would be a reform of the bishops/ priesthood.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.com