tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post8302806683480447354..comments2024-03-28T17:58:56.707+11:00Comments on The Social Pathologist: Gregor on Marxist Notions of NationalismThe Social Pathologisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-41635158427022484622017-03-19T04:42:23.217+11:002017-03-19T04:42:23.217+11:00However, it does make people build walls and spit ...<i>However, it does make people build walls and spit off FROM the nation, Yugo-style.</i><br /><i>Yes. Yugo-style dissolution is definitely possible.</i><br />Dissolution of what? Of the USA? Of the EU? <br />Yugoslavia (where I have been living my entire life) lasted for less than 80 years. An artificial conglomerate. Croatia was a sub-kingdom under Hungary for 800 years (1100 aughts-1918). Slovenia had been under Austria since Charlemagne, until 1918. The present-day Slovenian-Croatian border (save in Istria) was the border between the Holy Roman Empire and Holy Crown of St. Stephen for the aforementioned 800 years even if the ruler was the same from 1527 until 1918. The present Croatian-Bosnian border is 300 years old even if the southern part of Croatia was under Venice. The Slovenes were always more germanized than Croats, while the Orthodox Serbs, who lived under the Turks from circa 1400 until the beginning of 19th century are again a different culture. Irreconcilable. Marcus Montisursinensisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-46019801613878140522017-03-09T22:57:41.389+11:002017-03-09T22:57:41.389+11:00@JS
Socialism, Internationalism and Globalism are...@JS<br /><br /><i>Socialism, Internationalism and Globalism are all a pose.</i><br /><br />I noticed you missed Fascism, the branch of the same tree that produced the above. You see this is the problem Sinistar, once you buy into the Fascist narrative you eventually turn Left. <br />The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-82875601604074052492017-03-09T12:34:26.072+11:002017-03-09T12:34:26.072+11:00Socialism, Internationalism and Globalism are all ...Socialism, Internationalism and Globalism are all a pose. The "social contract" and "civic nationalism" is just an alien parasite that cannot really pass as you. After exposure for awhile the alien nature and alien nation begin to stand out and even grate on you. This race is a social construct nonsense like "Anti-Semitic" is just a pre-emptive strike on your eventual realization that you are amongst blood sucking evil monsters that exploit you and want you dead. Censorship, "Hate Crime" , or whatever else, its a monster, and its not you. It wants you to serve it as a slave or die or and die. At the end of it, you realize or should, its (((them))) or YOU.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10330477950146402313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-78402981868686551302017-03-09T10:44:48.084+11:002017-03-09T10:44:48.084+11:00CB, We are currently in a gigantic death spasm in ...<i>CB, We are currently in a gigantic death spasm in which anti-racism is causing the most incredible things. I mean "Is anyone so stupid to think they will fight for an "idea" over their own people?" Yes, one thousand times yes.</i><br /><br />When I say "own people" I mean 1) race, and 2) being attacked as a group. This is simply not the case with white people's anti-racism obsession (everyone is fair game in that civil war; it's the West's 1917 revolution). Remember, this involves no external threat like the WWs did.<br /><br />One would have to be daft to think ideas will rule if the race/tribe is under real threat. Look how fast Trump shattered the "Blue Wall" with just a hint of minority strength. Or: look how fast white liberals ensconced to Seattle. Or out of CA and Detroit. In fact, liberals are more racist than others (they project). Liberals even shut up for a month after 9-11 (a joke of a threat). Imagine real war! No, the WW drop of ideas over tribe was entirely predictable. The Germans fought each other to the death over ideas, but once at war they fought to the death.MKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-12781942804439716712017-03-09T00:03:04.297+11:002017-03-09T00:03:04.297+11:00@NTSS
Sitting behind me is Weber's Action Fra...@NTSS<br /><br />Sitting behind me is Weber's Action Francaise which I plan to get stuck into soon. My initial reading of Barres is that he a prime example of where tradition goes wrong and where NRx could go wrong as well.<br /><br />@MK<br /><br />Yes. Yugo-style dissolution is definitely possible.<br /><br />@Chris B<br />Identity is only partially premised on a <i>shared tradition</i> a far greater force is intuition and homophily. Identity and group belonging are parts of human nature and it is why even committed internationalists had to bow to it in order to launch successful revolutions. The current popular "pushback" against the Left isn't ideological it's "instinctive". What's happened is that the Left has pushed too far against human nature and human nature is fighting back.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-51484895079338465222017-03-08T14:55:28.169+11:002017-03-08T14:55:28.169+11:00@MK I would say the whole discussion is drasticall...@MK I would say the whole discussion is drastically wrong. From the Socialists and from you. We are currently in a gigantic death spasm in which anti-racism is causing the most incredible things. I mean "Is anyone so stupid to think they will fight for an "idea" over their own people?" Yes, one thousand times yes.<br /><br />In reality, identity is premised on tradition, which is premised on institutions which maintain this tradition. This is why you will note that the correspondence between institutions and traditions/ identity is pretty much precise. The anti-racism culture/ tradition for example, is made live by thousands upon thousands of institutions. At first this was Foundation/ Philanthropic, but once it got started formal support from state institutions got going, and this forced every institution to provide for it. Now it is ubiquitous. Anti-racist warriors would be in trouble if there was no money to fund their activities. Their tradition would be dead in a generation or two, and severely anemic and weak until it died.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-63157056423457447062017-03-08T09:00:56.277+11:002017-03-08T09:00:56.277+11:00In an uncritical sense, they were right. On the oc...<i>In an uncritical sense, they were right. On the occasion of the war, the working masses of Europe chose to identify with their several nations—employing arguments that shared a significant similarity with those advanced by Bauer.</i><br /><br />Amused people would doubt this for a racially unified nation. Race is a large sprawling extended family. Is anyone so stupid to think they will fight for an "idea" over their own people?<br /><br />However, this also means that nationalism has no threat today, since everyone is racially divided. Lots of people movement kills nationalism. However, it does make people build walls and spit off FROM the nation, Yugo-style.MKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29137904.post-58822567552854483352017-03-08T01:20:10.895+11:002017-03-08T01:20:10.895+11:00This need for Marxism-Leninism to be adjusted on t...This need for Marxism-Leninism to be adjusted on the fly to meet the circumstances of reality at hand was perhaps most hilariously illustrated by the prefixing of the word "socialist" in front of concepts otherwise considered bourgeois. Thus you had "socialist patriotism" to build proletarian comradeship, "socialist competition" to provide incentives for long Stakhanovite labor shifts and even "socialist primitive accumulation" - Preobrazhensky's term for the policy of appropriating agricultural surpluses and using mercantile investment policies to build up heavy industry.<br /><br />However, the first to heavily expound this "proletarian nationalism," was Maurice Barres, if I recall correctly. Truly, when liberalism severed all other ties of identity, there was not much left.Nulle Terre Sans Seigneurhttps://carlsbad1819.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com